Whats with people hating F2P?

Well ever played a mobile game, the game pay be free but you start playing and you can speed up things by buying. Theres more items you can have by paying. Theres just constant in-app purchases to play the game and its annoying thats what its like when a game goes F2P. Happened in SWTOR and it just went total crap.

I can justify the monthly sub easily however, I pay monthly and I can get countless hours of gameplay, plus every 3ish months a patch that adds a whole bunch of new content for me to do. Many people can justify paying probably the same monthly sub price to go see a movie and thats about 2 hours on enjoyment there. So sub price for this can be easily justified. F2P can not, it just makes the game horrible.

we already have a cash shop with outrageous prices I aint even care anymore.

One word... monetization. The company needs to make money somehow to keep the game going. From server costs to content development, all of that still takes money. If they're not getting their money from subs them they need to get it some other way and, unfortunately, cosmetics on a cash shop will only get you stop far. People will eventually stop buying all the hats, minions and mounts you put on the shop as vanity items and eventually you will need to turn to peddling content on it instead.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Actually, your average player tends to spend more on F2P games than they do on subscription-based games like WoW and FFXIV. Game quality also tends to suffer which is why the turnover rate for F2P games coming and going is so great. Going F2P also tends to start heading down the dark slippery slope of becoming P2W. Nobody likes P2W.

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Most F2P games are geared towards making the gear/exp/gold grind incredibly unbearable UNLESS you pay.
Look at GW2 and how it handles its version of the Glamor and Aesthetician.

Those are the sorts of things that F2P games tend to do. Reducing your drop rates, EXP Gains, money gains and generally locking away features of the game behind a paywall.

The average spends more on F2P games not because what they're buying is what they want, they're spending that money because they have to. SWTORs initial F2P even locked HOTBARS behind a paywall.

Not many F2P games manage to keep players invested long term, So they spend a lot of effort on hooking a new player and getting them to buy something at least once before they inevitably quit.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Actually, your average player tends to spend more on F2P games than they do on subscription-based games like WoW and FFXIV.

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This.
This is the main reason.
Anyone who still deludes themselves a game would become cheaper to them if it went F2P is incredibly naive.
But hey, at least you spend all that money "because you want to", right? Not because the game is "forcing" you to!
Oh, psychology..:rolleyes:

F2P doesn't mean we all get to play games for nothing, it's simply a different business model. A model which more and more games are moving towards and gamers like us should reject at every twist and turn. Developers are moving towards it because it actually makes them more money, not less and the gamers become divided between those who are prepared to pay to win and those that aren't. I know someone who spent over $400 on League of Legends, even games that are actually free after initial purchase like Call of Duty but introduce a pay for drops system (Advanced Supply Drops) turn towards pay to win with people paying hundreds of $ to get the items they want.

Imagine if when the new Tomestones are released SE decide to allow you to buy them with actual money, they wont be cheap and what will happen is all those players who are prepared to throw $40 (or more) at the game the day the patch comes out will get all the gear on day 1. All that will do is make it harder/impossible to those who don't want to pay to get into groups to clear new content.

I'm a mature gamer and I can easily afford to throw a few hundred $'s at this game if I wanted to, that doesn't mean I will, in fact I work hard for my money so if it did become F2P I'd quit that very same day.

I understand you can buy items in FF14 with real money but they are all vanity items, there is a reason for that and that's the way it should stay.

Also the idea that if it went F2P and people paid more for different items then SE would give more money to develop FFXIV is completely wrong. FFXIV will be given the same budget no matter how much it is earning, it just means SE has more money for other games. The money we spend on items in the cash shop now does not go towards FFXIV and any other methods of getting money will never go to this game.

Imagine for a second if the game goes F2P: You're going to cap your Esoterics for the week. You queue up for your expert and another dungeon afterwards. You go to queue up for another dungeon but wait, you already hit your maximum amount of dungeon runs which won't refill for two days. Pay $3.99 in the cash shop to refill your dungeon stamina! Or if the raid content was hidden behind a paywall, and you had to pay $10 to access the content and a $1 for every five wipes.

Free to play is just a cover-up for what it really is: Pay to play.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If you feel as though it's a 'waste' to be spending money on a subscription fee then why are you sticking around? I can't stand the F2P model for MMO's because it's usually done very poorly. Either items are too exclusive (in that they're only available for a short time and thus making collectors stress over them), they're too expensive (stacking up to more than a monthly subscription fee costs) or just too mandatory.

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Please read the description.

I stick around because I like the game.

F2p always means more gold sellers, even worse cash shops than now (10.50 for minfilla stuff? wuttt), little retarded kids that ruin the overall feel of the game, more elitists that actually don't know what they're doing, more nerfs. A lot more nerfs so the f2p playerbase stays.

I'm not playing p2p games just because they're better. I like them because the community is usually better, more mature. I usually also play p2p games, because there's no cash shop. That one wnet out of the window, especially since yoshi-p likes doing what he said he wouldn't do. Yes, I'm looking at you flying mounts.