/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

Personally, I'd make a deal with the DRK: He stops using that god-damn annoying macro and I'll stop holying ASAP in turn.

Really, I don't even care who's "right" in that situation. Starting a fight for my ego just isn't worth it.

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Originally Posted by echoica

Hmmmm. Does anyone know definitively which is more dps? The drk doing whatever it is they do during blood price or a WHM swift aero - pof holy spam - assize? Cause I'm thinking the WHM is gonna destroy the drk dps hands down making this argument completely pointless. To say the WHM is bad not waiting for blood price to fall off is so ridiculous. Learn to manage your mana better going into the pull? If I see this macro in df I'm pretty much gonna rofl.

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I think it depends on the amount of Mobs there is since holy was nerfed in HW,

not to mention DA+DP then Absyall drain spam oh and also Salted Earth so I think DRK might just have the edge a little.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

not to mention DA+DP then Absyall drain spam oh and also Salted Earth so I think DRK might just have the edge a little.

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Its not about who has the edge its about the whm being a team player and allowing us both to get off a proper aoe burst. The whm has nothing to gain and the drk has a lot to lose so any decent player should allow 15s to pass instead of intentionally gimping the tank. But maybe thats just me, i do big pulls with a lot of AD spam.

so if i stay there only healing it's wrong? and if i do dps it's also wrong? awesome... c.c

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Originally Posted by Tint

so if i stay there only healing it's wrong? and if i do dps it's also wrong? awesome... c.c

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Its really not too complicated. Every good drk doing big aoe pulls is going to pop blood price and be visibly aoeing for the next 10-15 seconds and the polite thing to do is not be throwing out aoe stuns for that very short period of time. This really only precludes using holy and nothing else (assize, aero 3, etc.) Really not too much to ask. If you dont care about tank aoe queue with a pld ;)

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Personally, I'd make a deal with the DRK: He stops using that god-damn annoying macro and I'll stop holying ASAP in turn.

Really, I don't even care who's "right" in that situation. Starting a fight for my ego just isn't worth it.

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Not reacting to what your tank does is...BAD. Stop being bad.

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

I pull 8 mobs. Whm waits 15 seconds to start holying. I aoe/get hate/self heal with abyssal drain, after 15 seconds whm begins holy spam.

I pull 8 mobs, whm starts holying. I can't aoe properly or establish a solid lead in hate, which i need if a whm is gonna be holying. When they're done, im close to mp floor, have done crap damage, and probably lost hate on a mob or two.

In the former scenario, we both get huge aoe deeps, i keep hate, stuff dies. In the latter scenario, i cant do proper damage or hate just so the whm could holy 15s earlier, and stuff takes longer to die.

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Sorry this is dumb, ideally you whm should pop shroud at some point and if you cant get hate after that then you should probably consider a different class.

Seriously git gud and wait until the mobs are stun locked and the mobs will die a lot faster.

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Originally Posted by Ralvenom

Not reacting to what your tank does is...BAD. Stop being bad.

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world doesn't revolve around tanks, healers play as much of a role to a party as a tank does

or you know, you could try queueing with a AST or SCH

Holy is between 110 and 220 potency on each mob (b/c Cleric Stance is +10%). Plus it can be buffed with PoM and allows your WHM to cast Aero III with you taking no damage (or Regen to tick if they open with Aero or w/e). Unleash is 100, switching for AD is only 20 potency more, and getting DA for your DP is only 100.

Why would you not wait to use Blood Price? You can either have Holy the entire time and your own DPS, or you can not have Holy for 15s (5 casts worth!) It seems like a pretty obvious choice to me. You still have Sole Survivor and Carve&Split (which is not worth DAing if you are doing really big pulls) if they're dying too fast so you don't start the next pull dry.