Need GM Clarification: Player to Player Housing Sales a Violation of ToS?

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Originally Posted by Elim

I'm pretty sure your thread was deleted because of your wording. Why would they delete your thread and not all the others selling houses?

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Also... It might not be a good idea to post that. X.X Maybe black out your actual post part? Because it was deleted off these forums for a reason.

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It said the moderator's sole discretion and the reasoning was "Advertising the sale of land". You are as confused as I am why my thread was deleted and others not. I never mentioned RMT but I did mention PMs. But... that's a forum function?

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Originally Posted by ExKage

It said the moderator's sole discretion and the reasoning was "Advertising the sale of land". You are as confused as I am why my thread was deleted and others not. I never mentioned RMT but I did mention PMs. But... that's a forum function?

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Then I'd go as far as to say it's fake?

Maybe I'm being stubborn here, but it makes no sense why yours was deleted and all the others weren't. O.O

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Originally Posted by Elim

Then I'd go as far as to say it's fake?

Maybe I'm being stubborn here, but it makes no sense why yours was deleted and all the others weren't. O.O

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You mean my email and the thread being deleted are fake?

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Originally Posted by ExKage

You mean my email and the thread being deleted are fake?

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The email.

If it's not fake then maybe contact customer service and ask to have the warning removed from your account? Because it doesn't make sense.

I've read the forum ToS pretty heavily, given I'm probably perma banned next time they ban me, and I can't see anything in what you said that's against any of their rules...

EDIT: And that email isn't fake. Or at least, whomever posted it has seen one before, because it's formatted exactly the way all of mine are, and the phrasing they use for the non-form letter parts is the same/similar. I totally believe that SE is banning people for trading houses, I just don't get why or what rule it's violating...

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Originally Posted by Elim

The email.

If it's not fake then maybe contact customer service and ask to have the warning removed from your account? Because it doesn't make sense.

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I'm not sure why anyone would then also spoof from -and- delete my thread though. I checked the day I got the notification and they did delete the thread.
from: noreply@square-enix.com
to: emailredacted@gmail.com
date: Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM
subject: FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Post Modification Notification
mailed-by: square-enix.com

Why would they spoof square-enix.com, I'm not sure how?, and also know that my thread was deleted just to... do that?

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Originally Posted by ExKage

I'm not sure why anyone would then also spoof from -and- delete my thread though. I checked the day I got the notification and they did delete the thread.
from: noreply@square-enix.com
to: emailredacted@gmail.com
date: Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM
subject: FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Post Modification Notification
mailed-by: square-enix.com

Why would they spoof square-enix.com, I'm not sure how?, and also know that my thread was deleted just to... do that?

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Like I said, if it's not fake, I'd personally try to contact a GM and ask for the warning to be removed. It's not fair. I'd be very upset if I received that email.

Oh, wait, it's right there in the email. They can declare anything against the rules at their sole discretion, which they have done. No selling land, period.

If you're wondering why they haven't taken down the other threads, it's the same reason they don't ban everyone who complains about how RMT is handled (criticizing SE is actually against the forum ToS), just some of them.

For those unfamiliar with the forum ToS, here's a copy of it. I bolded the ones I see people violate all the time.

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Originally Posted by http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=5382&la=1&tag=forum

• Posting content that does not follow the theme of the category or thread.
• Posting content that deviates from topics concerning FINAL FANTASY XIV.
• Posting spam, including meaningless characters and white space.
• Posting a number of posts with the same content.
• Taking or discussing criminal actions.
• Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual.
• Use of inappropriate or aggressive language.
• Posting obscenity, pornography, propaganda, or other expressions unrelated to the game.
• Posting about commercial, business, advertising, political, or religious matters.
• Posting that would violate anti-stalking laws or orders.
• Posting personal information about yourself or other specific individuals.
• Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.
• Impersonating another person or taking action that might reasonably be mistaken as the actions of another.
• Reproducing, duplicating, altering, supplementing, changing, or other secondary use of this Service’s software, either whole or in part.
• Posting seeking to damage or disparage Square Enix, the forum, FINAL FANTASY XIV, or others.
• Posting content that seeks to interfere with the running of FINAL FANTASY XIV.
• Posting content with the intention of criticizing either Square Enix staff or specific individuals.
• Doing anything that is obstructs the use of the forum or FINAL FANTASY XIV for other users.
• Infringing upon Square Enix's or any third party’s intellectual property (copyright, trademark, etc.) rights or privacy rights.
• Undertaking any RMT-related actions, including selling items, gil, or accounts for real world currency.
• Attempting to harm or obstruct the operation or use of this forum.
• Doing anything that is prohibited in the the Square Enix Account Terms of Use.
• Taking any other actions that are deemed inappropriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion.

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These aren't enforced 100% of the time. If they deleted every single post that violated the ones I bolded, we wouldn't have anything left!

I actually wonder if it was the line "You will then have to pay a separate fee to Square Enix" that triggered mod action. While the majority of players would understand what was being said in the the message; we're not actually paying SE a fee.

Maybe they didn't want players to get the wrong idea based on the wording? Other than that phraseology, it's weird that they would take 1 down and not the hundreds of others.

Edit: The first sentences also have them calling the FC leader names and cursing. This could be a contributing factor as well.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I actually wonder if it was the line "You will then have to pay a separate fee to Square Enix" that triggered mod action. While the majority of players would understand what was being said in the the message; we're not actually paying SE a fee.

Maybe they didn't want players to get the wrong idea based on the wording? Other than that phraseology, it's weird that they would take 1 down and not the hundreds of others.

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No, the email contained the reason for the mod's action. The reason was listed explicitly as "Taking any other actions that are deemed inappropriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion. - Advertising the sale of land"

Again, practically half the posts on this forum violate the forum's ToS, but they don't delete every post with aggressive language, or that criticizes SE, or that was made to have a negative impact on the community. Why do they delete some and not others? I have no idea, and I'm not about to be critical about the way they do it. Just because they don't take action on every single violation doesn't mean something isn't against the rules.