All i ask for ninja is 1 thing Square Enix pls!

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Originally Posted by NekoGenesis

I don't think Suiton is supposed to clip our GCDs either. Technically it should only be a 1.5s (perfect, would like to say impossible) to 2s (expected) mudra as the cooldown between each hand sign is 0.5s, and most NINs I know are sitting on around 2 seconds CD for their GCD.

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At that level of lag, it would definitely be a boon, yes. o.o

However, remember to add a final step to your mudra count; you still have to cast the Ninjutsu itself, which could have a longer animation lock that even the specified Mudra lockouts. As such, Huton/Doton/Suiton tend to be 4 mudra's worth of .5 second lockouts/animation locks + 4x whatever latency exceeds the time queue-able within each step.

Edit: also don't forget the prior animation's lock... so that's now prior animation (usually... .6s to 1.1s?) + a minimum of about 1.75s for a 3-step Mudra.

P.S. Have you tried Battleping/WTFast/Pingzapper? Though Ninja's GCD is a bit too fast to reliably double-weave any but the shortest-animation oGCDs even then, a good VPN can still make a huge difference.

Thanks Shurrikhan, I do use WTFast - but playing from Australia to an NA server is extremely painful (the 240 ping is with WTFast, I get 280-310 without it). Yep, forgot about the animation lock, so Suiton would most likely still clip 0.5s-1s of your GCD.

Part of the reason why I stopped raiding on my NIN - it just feels extremely bad that I'm constantly 50-80 DPS behind where I should be and therefore I have to force the other players on the group to pick up the slack. With fights as closely tuned as AS in terms of DPS checks, where everyone is busy doing their own thing and also trying their best without needing the added stress of compensating the laggy/inexperienced NIN (whichever one it is) made me choose to drop out of the static I was raiding with and just swap mains to DRK instead.

Wish they can fix ninjutsu somehow for people with greater latency, but I don't see it happening in the forseeable future unless they scrap the whole idea and just make the mudras straight out castable from the get-go.

The mudra should be scrapped and ninjatsu should be used directly. Ninjatsu should also have casting time in which you do the mudra animations.

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Originally Posted by Yaichiro

The mudra should be scrapped and ninjatsu should be used directly. Ninjatsu should also have casting time in which you do the mudra animations.

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I would agree with this

But I just don't have that many free key 'easy to reach' key binds anymore :( I also kind of the like the uniqueness of combining the three symbols, and the potential of messing up (yay hunting horns!)

or they can just fix the mudra lag outright. I feel like the reason why they take .5 to cast is because of the animations. They need to cut it short to just hand gestures instead of full arm swings. Moves cutting into your gcd is what ruins it for me, especially since I main mnk when I dps who has the smoothest rotation of the 3 melee dps.

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

So then mudras not being interrupted by GCDs or other actions and another TP fix idea can't exist together?

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the problem here is that youre asking to fix one problem where it will only make another worse. id prefer them to just make mudra client side and give us to changes to solve both.

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Originally Posted by NekoGenesis

It would be less of a dps loss for some people because you can then weave Suiton while still keeping up your GCD rotation. For someone like me, who's latency makes it so that it takes anywhere between 3-5 seconds to cast a 3-step mudra (clipping onto 1.5-2.5 GCDs), being able to weave GCDs/oGCDs would be a boon.

I don't think Suiton is supposed to clip our GCDs either. Technically it should only be a 1.5s (perfect, would like to say impossible) to 2s (expected) mudra as the cooldown between each hand sign is 0.5s, and most NINs I know are sitting on around 2 seconds CD for their GCD.

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the animation delay before you hit your first mudra (due to the ability you used before your first mudra) will ALWAYS leave you clipping gcd with suiton. its been the same way with three step mudra since launch, you have to account for animations

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Originally Posted by Kaisersoke

the problem here is that youre asking to fix one problem where it will only make another worse. id prefer them to just make mudra client side and give us to changes to solve both.

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Well, there is no point in arguing much about this now for a while, given that in the TGS Yoshi-P commented something about making Mudras smoother to use on patch 3.1... we'll see how that goes there...

But really, the Mudra lag and TP starvation issues are two different things.
Funnily enough, so much Mudra lag can translate into TP regen for some as well, which is where I think you are comming from, and fixing it would only result in the TP consumption increasing somewhat... maybe... BUT I bet that wasn't intented, or at least not for the 1~2 Mudra Jutsu.

Anyway, no reason for not looking of ways to fix Mudra lag and/or the TP consumption...

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

Well, there is no point in arguing much about this now for a while, given that in the TGS Yoshi-P commented something about making Mudras smoother to use on patch 3.1... we'll see how that goes there...

But really, the Mudra lag and TP starvation issues are two different things.
Funnily enough, so much Mudra lag can translate into TP regen for some as well, which is where I think you are comming from, and fixing it would only result in the TP consumption increasing somewhat... maybe... BUT I bet that wasn't intented, or at least not for the 1~2 Mudra Jutsu.

Anyway, no reason for not looking of ways to fix Mudra lag and/or the TP consumption...

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the amount of time you spend using mudra as always directly affected tp, which is why with heavensward, it became more noticeable, because we stopped using huton every three ninjutsu

And so hopefully we'll see them affecting GCDs even less so the TP problems can be more glaring so they also do something about them.