WHM dps VS. SCH dps

I haven't really argued in my previous answer, so here we go.

SCH is better for dps in my opinion. You have a 150 potency dps skill not in gcd that regain some mp and instant, many dots (two without accuracy requirement), Ruin II (instant dps skill) when you have to avoid mechanics/just after broil/etc, and you can stay in cleric stance longer with your fairy, + all the emergency skills allow better cleric stance dance.

I think WHM is better as main healer (even if he can use some dps skills though) and SCH as healer-dps support during progression (in fact, if you play with a good whitemage, all the time).

When I see a WHM that dps and letting me heal everything through a fight, when I play my SCH, I find it weird. But it's just my opinion.

People really aren't answering your question, so I will.

White mage has potential to deal more DPS in both single target, and AoE. Single target is a tiny difference, AoE is a massive difference.

For added info:
Astrologian is on par with WHM on single target, but has the tiny advantage of not requiring accuracy for its DoTs. It's AoE is low. Some people would argue that you can use Lightspeed and spam Gravity, but you will run out of mana within seconds. Even if it could keep full mana, its AoE would still be under that of what WHM can do in AoE. Assize and Aero3 out perform Gravity by a good bit and Gravity is the exact same spell as Holy in terms of damage dealt.

For those keeping score, that puts WHM on top as a healer and a dps, however, in a raid settings, you cannot just stop healing to dps and two healers at full strength is rarely needed. As such, most opt to have the scholar dps since it can do so while it heals thanks to its fairy. During this, the WHM will be full out heals and add little dps.

For A1S, my group has me (the WHM) solo heal the first 40-50% while the scholar does dps; she stars with Selene for added dps and switches to Eos as it gets more intensive. There's no way a scholar can keep up with the heals a WHM can do like they could in 2.0, but they can dps without the worry of running dry on mana.

For A2S, my group has me solo healing the first 5-6 waves. Once again, the scholar does dps; Selene pretty much full time in this fight. By the time I need her help with heals, I'm starting to run dry on mana around wave 6 because of the double prey. At wave 7, our bard uses ballad while we slowly work down the 4 Jagd Dolls not stressing too much about dps since the scholar adds about 1000 dps to the group before hand. From 7, to the end of the fight, she heals with me, each of us focusing on one tank as we destroy the rest of the crap in the instance.

tl;dr
WHM is, by far, more powerful for healing and dps, but mana is a massive concern when doing both.
Scholar can maintain mana well while doing both but it cannot do the heals or the dps of a white mage.

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Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo

People really aren't answering your question, so I will.

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You kind of didn't... OP just wanted to know who does more DPS (straight up on a dummy it sounds like)

If you put a WHM and SCH on a dummy for 10 minutes a SCH would do more overall damage because they have better mana regeneration and a WHM would simply run out of juice.

AST isn't onpar with either because it's not its function. At the cost of its own DPS it buffs others (Lightspeed shouldn't really be used for DPS because it reduces DPS potency...). WHM has fluid aura, PoM, Aero III, and Assize which all make a sizeable difference to overall damage done. WHM also has more MP regen than AST inherently though an AST may be lucky with Ewer draws on a dummy.

Read the second line of text in my post. It answers perfectly.

Burst: WHM>SCH
Sustained: SCH>WHM

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Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo

Read the second line of text in my post. It answers perfectly.

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Yeah I did but you're missing the key point which is burst versus sustained DPS...WHM has high burst DPS. So if we're measuring the first 2-3 minutes of a fight WHM has it in the bag (no healing, no accuracy issues, straight DPS). After you've used shroud for the first time there is going to be a massive lull in DPS that SCH doesn't experience as severely (even in single target DPS).

OPs question is very surface level anyway, it can be interpreted many ways I guess.

It really can't be.

You are saying sustained dps be 10 minutes but how many of the fights in savage allow for ANY healer to do that? None. And if you want to calculate for 10 minutes, AST will beat both. Why? It can cast Ewer and Balance on itself without the loss of a global cooldown after its instant cast DoT. Nobody calculates burst dps over 2-3 minutes. 30 seconds? Sure, but if you can maintain it for several minutes, I'd say that's pretty sustained even if it does leave you oom.

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Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo

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Originally Posted by Ercapote

We do realize that but the core of the question is "who does more damage" doesn't matte what raid scenario or fight just in parser and generally who does more DMG...

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It sounds like he's just asking for pure DPS and not taking into consideration anything else besides that (the amount of healing has to do/the fight). So my answer is just pure DPS on a dummy. WHM and AST will just oom much faster (you can't bank on balance/ewer at all because RNG).

I also believed sustained DPS in a raid situation shouldn't leave you oom....(though I'm not sure if I'm reading your last comment correctly).

I'm saying sustained DPS is over 2 minutes of straight DPS. WHM is oom after its first shroud pure stone III dpsing (and dotting), so its not really sutained because...you can't sustain it and because the class isn't built that way. SCH can last longer and do overall more damage. OP doesn't quantify what the time limit is and there's no context.

Edit; Is that clear? Idk, I feel like I'm rambling.

white mage actually does more dps than scholar by a decent margin
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white mage dps spells are far less mana efficient causing them to deplete mana pool quickly and also several scholar spells have 100% accuracy making it more reliable vs high end targets

and astro dps is the worst of the 3

If your choosing which one should do the support dps it's scholar
that's really as simple as it gets

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Originally Posted by Rewind

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sorry for the confusion if I didn't specify and made it confusing... you all have answered a lot of questions but to make it more specific and help guide this a little bit i will set up a few environment to help the discussion.

1. parser DMG over a 4min limit. pure dps between the 2
.(my girlfriend tried yesterday to go all out on a dummy with a whm and it took her 3.52 sec to ran out of mp)
2. raid DMG (possibly done) meaning, if we are to set aside "who main heal" on the raid environment who will end up with a higher number at the end of the raid.
.(lets say put A1 for single target dmg and A2 for aoe dmg, maybe A3 for more specific single target since A1 does mave more than 1 target)

I try to be as specific as i can think but set yourself on those scenario, who will do more damage there.

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Thx you actually answered some of the question of the discussion we where having so you as well as REWIND and everyone here tbh had answered most of our question. thx for the feedback.


ps: thx for all the feedback, is a little struggle not having a parser on ps4 :)