SCH Pet Healing Potencies?

That is so true - the mechanics of the game and math behind it should be fixed, with potencies plug and play at any moment for balancing issues. Players put a lot of work into trying to understand how stats in game impact their characters so they can make the best decisions with the means available to them in game, and just changing things all willy nilly is infuriating.

What I'm really hoping is not the case, is the thought that they're trying to make Scholar more dependent on the player than the pet (to the all-but exclusion of said pet), because the mechanics behind pet commands are clunky and take forever to take effect due to the servers being... not great.

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Originally Posted by Viviza

Ehhh.. but this is silly?

"Balancing their healing output" is already done with the potency system. If attack X is meant to scale at half the rate of attack Y, then attack X is given half the potency value of attack Y. There's no need for additional math to manipulate the scaling involved, unless there's a need to hide the notion that they were nerfed behind a now-meaningless number.

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Indeed. It is an extremely convoluted way of doing that. I'm not sure why they chose to do that in that manner, but they did. I feel like it's in part because the MND and MD scaling for the fairy is different than for the SCH but this still doesn't answer WHY S-E did it like that.

*Shrugs* We'll never know, I think.

Silent nerf that they're too much of a coward to come out and just say it - same thing goes for summoner pets.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

Silent nerf that they're too much of a coward to come out and just say it - same thing goes for summoner pets.

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Considering Fairy Embrace still out paces Regen by 40%, the silent nerf doesn't bug me at all. There's something wrong with balance if an AI entity that can use a healing spell for free, doesn't consume the SCHs GCD, and can out heal a core piece of the WHM kit by 40% that costs 618MP per application.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Considering Fairy Embrace still out paces Regen by 40%, the silent nerf doesn't bug me at all. There's something wrong with balance if an AI entity that can use a healing spell for free, doesn't consume the SCHs GCD, and can out heal a core piece of the WHM kit by 40% that costs 618MP per application.

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There's something wrong with SE not just stating that they've done it.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Considering Fairy Embrace still out paces Regen by 40%, the silent nerf doesn't bug me at all... <whine>

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However, WHM is WHM and SCH is SCH; they were designed to be different & have different strengths and weaknesses. Up until June 19th Embrace had 300 potency, after the servers opened it was instantly clear that something changed. We've had no reasonable explanation as to why, nor have we been told how their vague reasoning relating to future increases can possibly work.

If you want to play "it's not fair, I can't do that" then I think Benediction should be nerfed because SCH doesn't have a heal anywhere NEAR as powerful. How about removing Shroud of Saints too as SCH has no way to reduce enmity? Hell, the only reason you should keep Cleric Stance is because it can be cross classed. See how silly it sounds to bleat on that one job has abilities that another doesn't?

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

However, WHM is WHM and SCH is SCH; they were designed to be different & have different strengths and weaknesses. Up until June 19th Embrace had 300 potency, after the servers opened it was instantly clear that something changed. We've had no reasonable explanation as to why, nor have we been told how their vague reasoning relating to future increases can possibly work.

If you want to play "it's not fair, I can't do that" . . .?

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While I will concede that it was indeed silly of S-E to not announce they were changing nerfing the fairy you are mistaken to misconstrued my comment as me whining about how potent Embrace was in pre-3.0. Balance is always important in a game with multiple jobs for the same role and the trouble with balance is making things feel similar without one feeling drastically overpowered compared to like abilities. Of course the definition of "like abilities" is different from person to person which can lead to differing opinions. Likewise, the definition of "too powerful" is also up to the interpretation of each individual player.

I personally consider both Embrace and Regen as normalizing HP values to handle the opposing auto attacks. While the Embrace change is indeed a nerf and yes, it does suck that it wasn't announced, I can understand why it occurred and stated as such in my original comment as a way to communicate S-E's possible thought process (though without an official response, my comment is indeed just conjuncture / opinion).

If I wanted to comment, or whine as you so humbly implied, about every aspect of the WHM vs SCH toolkit, I could. But there's not much to say about the rest of the tools as they have similar purposes done in different ways. Consider your blurb (which, yes, I know you mentioned is very silly).

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

then I think Benediction should be nerfed because SCH doesn't have a heal anywhere NEAR as powerful.

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Benediction is a 5 minute CD that restores 100% of the HP. Lustrate pre-3.0 was a 25% heal per Aetherflow charge that was on one minute cooldown. That means SCHs can potentially restore 450% HP in the same five minutes WHM can restore 100%. In fact, Lustrate still functions similarly in the current iteration.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

How about removing Shroud of Saints too as SCH has no way to reduce enmity?

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SCH has a permanent AI ally that basically heals for 33% of the SCHs Physick. In essence that gives them a permanent 30-40% enmity reduction because that amount of healing is coming from an entity that has a separate enmity table.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Hell, the only reason you should keep Cleric Stance is because it can be cross classed.

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Which means there's one more ability in the ACN / AST toolkit that since they can just CC it versus a WHM who's always there.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

See how silly it sounds to bleat on that one job has abilities that another doesn't?

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Yes, I see how silly it is =p And yes, I see how silly it is to take my one comment completely out of context and say I'm "whining". =p