3.0 Paladin is broken still. Square-Enix please. Clemency, scaling.

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Originally Posted by Praesul

I don't see how the str scaling is a problem. You have a small margin of error if you wear str gear because your max HP is much lower, in return for a moderate damage increase and a slightly stronger heal?

It's not like VIT PLDs won't benefit from it. Their gear will still give them str, weapon damage, and attack power, so they benefit from it too.

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it's flawed because we aren't actually supposed to roll on str jewlery.

we're supposed to roll on vit gear. for hp. meaning the potency of clemency suffers for not having access to dps jewlery, punishing us for having more hp. clemency rewards us for optimizing offensively, whereas it should be rewarding us for optimizing defensively, something a tank should be doing in progression and high endgame.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

it's flawed because we aren't actually supposed to roll on str jewlery.
we're supposed to roll on vit gear. for hp. meaning the potency of clemency suffers for not having access to dps jewlery, punishing us for having more hp. clemency rewards us for optimizing offensively, whereas it should be rewarding us for optimizing defensively, something a tank should be doing in progression and high endgame.

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It is not so much a flaw, a tank still gets benefit from the slaying accessories. But a drg gains more. A good static will let tanks get it before the people for alt classes anyway. This just keeps us from taking it over a drg.

What we are "supposed" to roll need on and what we really need for savage progression are definitely different. The dps checks are for real.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

It is not so much a flaw, a tank still gets benefit from the slaying accessories. But a drg gains more. A good static will let tanks get it before the people for alt classes anyway. This just keeps us from taking it over a drg.

What we are "supposed" to roll need on and what we really need for savage progression are definitely different. The dps checks are for real.

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Its not a flaw that every other class spends their tomes on the pieces they need right away, and get the drops they need right away, while tanks have to spend gil for crafted accessories and materia, or spend possibly double the tomes or wait for second drops to gear up properly?

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Originally Posted by Edewen

It is not so much a flaw, a tank still gets benefit from the slaying accessories. But a drg gains more. A good static will let tanks get it before the people for alt classes anyway. This just keeps us from taking it over a drg.

What we are "supposed" to roll need on and what we really need for savage progression are definitely different. The dps checks are for real.

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it's not that we get benefits from them or not, because we sure as hell do. dps checks may be real but, progression is still a lot easier with a bigger hp pool. someone should be able to optimize defensively and still get the same benefit someone gets when optimizing offensively.

So? What's wrong with getting an offensive reward? Just because we're tanks doesn't mean literally all we do is take damage and nothing else. There's more to it than that. If you choose to bring str jewelry, there are drawbacks. Yes, you get more damage and bigger clemency self heals, is that...bad? Is having options bad? Just because your opinion is that tanks should optimize defensively for progression and endgame doesn't mean it has to be that way, or that it's the correct way.

You lose out on higher clemency heals, you lose out on damage scaling with fight or flight, oh well. You gain something in return (safety from having a higher HP pool, and higher EHP overall).

A VIT PLD would have to use Clemency LESS than a STR PLD would ANYWAY, since they're going to be at a comfortable HP amount much more often than a STR PLD, so I'm not sure what the problem here is.

How about square Enix doesn't pick one and listen to whiny entitled players. How about they do what they feel is best instead?

Wearing strength accesories does not cause a tank to take any more damage then one wearing fending. Vitality is not mitigation

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Originally Posted by Carstien

How about square Enix doesn't pick one and listen to whiny entitled players. How about they do what they feel is best instead?

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I know. How about we shut down the forums entirely because apparently every suggestion you don't like is a whine from and entitled brat. Or even better, take your toxic attitude and stay off the forums. Wow is that way ------>

I don't get it. Clemency is a strength heal, it scales off attack power. Like Healers scale off wisdom. How does that not make sense?

Vitality increases health. Strength increases the scaling of your skills.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I don't get it. Clemency is a strength heal, it scales off attack power. Like Healers scale off wisdom. How does that not make sense?

Vitality increases health. Strength increases the scaling of your skills.

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Poor comparison. It would work better if say, healer accessories didn't have mind on their right side gear, instead it was just piety. Only way they could get mind accessories would be crafted or if there was some other MND accessory drop, that they couldn't roll on. Do you understand that difference?

There are massive benefits to wearing accessories with STR on them, but the game is clearly designed with tanks using fending when it comes to obtaining the gear. It's an odd imbalance, tanks are only jobs where their best right set gear is often something they cannot roll on or must spend massive amounts of gil to obtain. I think that is OP's main issue? The clemency thing is just an example of how oddly counter intuitive the system is.