Why does Enochian have to be a pain in the neck?

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Originally Posted by Danko

The enochain QoL "fix" did precisely nothing to address any of the real issues with Enochain. As for the rest of that nonesense. lol.

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I gotta agree with Xisin here, if you let Enochian fall off it was either your fault (if you really examine the situation there's usually a way), or unavoidable due to a phase shift or a mechanic that knocked you out. The QoL buff is specific but it does help, specifically in areas like A3S and any time there was a short phase change during or before rotation 3.

That said I do think it can be pretty unforgiving when learning fights, but honestly every class in 3.0 has timers and CD usage that are pretty dang unforgiving if you screw up or get targeted by a mechanic at the wrong time. We just have to adjust, repeat the fights enough, find workarounds like everyone else.

Is the old rotation barely ever used anymore for BLM?
I am not at 60 yet, and I am really enjoying my BLM. I've kind been thinking as of late tho. I have my SMN at 50, and I've been considering going with it instead because of all the negativitiy I've heard about BLM.
What scares me a little too. Is that I will reach 60, and then find myself completely changing my rotation into something that I simply don't enjoy anymore. Is Enochian basically something that you keep up at all times ( if done correctly )? Or is it something that you put up as a dps cooldown basically? ( a '' short '' burst of moar damage with fire 4 )?

Btw. How are BLMs in pvp? I'd like to do some pvp at the side too ^^.
I have my Mnk too. Been considering it as well. But I just prefer Casters in MMOs. PvP seems to be really frustrating for casters in this game tho.

if you mean to play a serious blm then yes, keeping enochian up 95%+ of the time is a requirement. It's a matter of muscle memory, and not having to think about juggling timers, simply to say it takes some practice but its worth it imo, feels good when you get it down.

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Originally Posted by Xisin

if you mean to play a serious blm then yes, keeping enochian up 95%+ of the time is a requirement. It's a matter of muscle memory, and not having to think about juggling timers, simply to say it takes some practice but its worth it imo, feels good when you get it down.

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What is your rotation, because my is air tight and doesn't leave much room for error.

Yep gotta agree with Xinsin, it really isn't all that hard to time enochian refresh, just takes practice and knowing when to let that beautiful fire 4 go.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

I gotta agree with Xisin here, if you let Enochian fall off it was either your fault (if you really examine the situation there's usually a way), or unavoidable due to a phase shift or a mechanic that knocked you out. The QoL buff is specific but it does help, specifically in areas like A3S and any time there was a short phase change during or before rotation 3.

That said I do think it can be pretty unforgiving when learning fights, but honestly every class in 3.0 has timers and CD usage that are pretty dang unforgiving if you screw up or get targeted by a mechanic at the wrong time. We just have to adjust, repeat the fights enough, find workarounds like everyone else.

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We are punished far more than anyone else. Not having access to Fire 4 for (up to) 30 seconds is an unreasonable dps loss for any kind of unfavorable situation. I would also submit to you that a statistically significant portion of this game is played under unfavorable conditions.

If you play in a vaccuum and only with a static which does everything the same way, where voice comms are used and the group is tight, it gets easier.

But the game itself does not support voice comms and an environment that requires them is unreasonable for a lot of players. A significant portion of this game is also played through progression and with pugs through DF and PF.

Any variance in muscle memory due to groups playing differently or even someone else's screw up can cost you enochain/Fire 4. Which, imo, is unreasonable, Especially when you also have to simultaneously maintain the AF/UI timer dance.

The question was never, "can it be done?" Because that answer is "yes" under favorable conditions. But the situations where it is punishing (progression and PUGS), it is TOO punishing. And optimal rotations are very, very inflexible.

And it's totally pointless. There's no good reason to have F4/B4 gated behind Enochain other than to artifically inflate the complexity of BLM gameplay and insert a significant DPS penalty for comparatively minor fluctuations in favorable dps conditions.

I don't really care about dps. And ive started disliking my BLM ever since level 52 leylines.

It's not due to dps but mainly class design issue. A class that was already punished harshly in movement intensive fights gets newer skills enforcing stricter and more harsh punishments due to movements ( some of which is completely random - expert dungeons) is just fail.

I will admit I'm accepting it more with time but it's clear to me that this was just complexity for the sake of complexity and not for the sake of a balanced Blm experience.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

What is your rotation, because my is air tight and doesn't leave much room for error.

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I'm using the same rotation posted in the blm guide thread atm. The trick is to either not make a mistake, know how to prevent a possible mistake, or recognize that you've made a mistake and correct it before the mistake festers into an enochian drop. An example would be that you are in your opener, and post convert - this means you have 10 seconds to make it to blizzard 3, so if you get interrupted mid cast on one of your fire 4s (shouldn't happen in any fight but lets just say this.) Then you need to skip a fire 4 or judge your mp and see if you can cram a fire in, because it is far, far worse to lose enochian than to lose the fire 4.

In fights that require you to move alot then dont use swift in your opener, rather hang on to for when the movement is inevitable, the new blm requires you to be fluid in decision making as well as making judgement calls, based on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

nin lost huton? massive dps loss

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A NIN should never really lose Huton because of movement or mechanics, as they can refresh it whenever they are unable to attack an enemy via actually using the Huton Ninjutsu (whose 3-step lag issues aren't a problem when they can't attack anyway).

Sorry but the whole "git gud" argument is absolute garbage. Just because a someone may be good at the new mechanics of BLM does not make it a "good", "fun" or "rewarding" system. Enochian is an interesting concept on paper, but is implemented poorly. There is literally 0 zero room for error. There's a difference between having to read situations and being familiar with fights and dealing with a clunky buff that one slight misstep causes you to lose a HUGE portion of your dps. It's the most punishing class which is not worth the effort you have to put into. You can do more damage on other classes that require less work and are less punishing - that are indeed more fun. I used to love BLM, but in it's current state, it just feels like there's way too much work to maintain any form of damaging presence.