Can we please get a serious 24-man raid in 3.1?

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Originally Posted by Hammerfist

This Hard Mode should supposedly be for premade alliances (either in FCs or party finders), not for random groups in the duty finder.

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But then you will limit it to a small number of players since most wont be able to gather 23 other players.

Making hard content has nothing to do with the number of players that enters it so theres really no need to make difficult content require alot of players since it will only increase the chance of failures when increasing the numbers of players that needs to know what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

But then you will limit it to a small number of players since most wont be able to gather 23 other players.

Making hard content has nothing to do with the number of players that enters it so theres really no need to make difficult content require alot of players since it will only increase the chance of failures when increasing the numbers of players that needs to know what they are doing.

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That's why I said serious lol. If you can do it faceroll in duty finder what's the point of even adding a Hard Mode? We just need a loot system that doesn't lock you with the same 24-man "static" and then you'll be able to gather every good player you can find from either your FC or the party finder. If the alliance doesn't work, just get out and make some substitutions or strategy changes, just how it happens with Extreme primals.

Also, we need variety. After 2 years the endgame still has only one hard 8-man raid and a couple of EX Primals... Why can't we have some challenging 24-man raids and maybe 4-man dungeons too?

Yea I kinda wish they did something besides a 24 man steamroll raid.... the chances are it will drop 190 gear so really what's the point? If people are already i190-200 when it comes out, there's not much point in doing it. With Alexander dropping 2-3 pieces of gear a week and esoterics giving 1 piece of gear each week, do people really need another easy raid for another 1 piece of gear a week? Give us harder dungeons or something, or more EX primals. Something that's fun and not steamroll.

TC, I support the idea and have been for a while, but you're just going to get the predictable counter-arguments (some of which already seen here) like- "lol 8 people can barely do coil/savage coil and you want 24?" "Do you know how hard it is to get 24 people to show up?/coordinated?" "Bad people will hide better in a crowd of 24." "Let me ignore all comments about preformed alliances and say DF is gonna suck for this"

But I really wish the devs would give actual battle content for decently populated FCs that isn't glorified crafting circles for fluff/houses. Or even linkshells for that matter.

Because being irrelevant in a group is so much fun lol.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Because being irrelevant in a group is so much fun lol.

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You are only irrelevant if the raid got designed bad.

Try to be irrelevant in a wow mythic/previous heroic raid.
You will get replaced pretty dam fast.

Well, Alexander Normal is here because people could not handle serious 8man raid in 2.0.
Not really sure how people could handle serious 24man. Considering that even A2 is sometimes really funny trough DF.

The issue is people being too serious to begin with.

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Originally Posted by ExiaQuanta

"Serious" 24 man raid?

People couldn't even handle a "serious" 8 man MSQ trial

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I think the point he/she is trying to make is 24 person content for FC. They are right...there is no large scale content for FC's as a whole. CT/ST/WOD do not count as large scale for an FC. SE needs to get away from the idea that 8 person content for small FC's is the only way. There really needs to be a 20 person/40 person setup for FC's. Before you say that wouldn't work...there are many very large FC's out there that would benefit from this. I am on Balmung with an FC that has at least 70 online 7 days a week. We could use something like large scale raids meant for FC's only.

Ok, but what about those who don't have that many people in their FC? Tough luck?