Bard isnt broken. It does not need to be fixed, people need to adapt. Dragoon before they changed positionals and gave it more M.Def was broken. WAR when it could tank literally nothing was broken.
Bard is not. You simply dont like the new playstyle, that does NOT make it broken. That is what all of you are failing to realize. Sure they could use a couple of QoL changes that make it smoother, BUT IT IS NOT FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN like some people think it is.
Bard and how to fix it.
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07-13-2015, 09:23 AMSen_Terrechant
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07-13-2015, 09:41 AMUnderdog2204Yeah but it's a decent idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
BLM's are having to all out ignore most of their proc's atm...
Overall the classes just don't seem work as fluidly as they did in 2.0 > 2.55 imo, it's not just affecting BRD's unfortunatly :( -
07-13-2015, 09:58 AMRiceisNiceThey said they were going to address it in the live letter though. Right now thundercloud doesn't really justify the GCD it takes since it'll throw enochian rotation out of whack. And even then, everything else outside of thundercloud syngergies with how BLM previously played; They're still managing umbral/astral efficently to cycle their mana pools, and now they have new spells to work with outside of fire I during astral. On top of mana now they also ahve to manage enochian duration when they need to swap astral/umbral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog2204
I wouldn't put it to the same degree as bards who has a cast time getting in the way of their oGCD resets -
07-13-2015, 10:13 AMDarian
Nothing to add yet but giving both post by the OP a like because they are very constructive towards improving Bard's flow and overall gameplay. While I disagree with the new style I do 100% think ideals like this would calm the player base a lot and maintain the DPS balance SE wants.
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07-13-2015, 10:23 AMUnderdog2204Ok this is getting a bit tiresome now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
BRD's do not have to have everything that much worse than everyone else that it automatically makes other class issues irrelevant. Every single time someone says something even remotely to do with another class having a problem someone like you hops in and goes "oh noes, we have it much much worse! WM!"... Like every damn time and it is getting very tiresome...
Yes BRD has issues and having a change of playstyle and loosing procs suck, but it is not something that will never get fixed. The issue's BRD are experiencing are not more important, no matter what you would like to think. BRD's can still play just like BLM's can, but they both loose out on damage due to it, so why is BRD's loss all of a sudden more important?
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07-13-2015, 11:13 AMSirionArmarWhile I currently am fine with and even enjoy the changes to bard, I have to admit, I like some of these ideas you have. It would certainly smooth out the gameplay as well as provide just that bit more utility and some damage. I especially like the Wide Volley Idea, you don't always get a DRG in DF content and it kinda sucks to have a portion of our damage gated behind another class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowaeth
For Bloodletter I'd suggest it act like a stackable attack or buff. While casting if its usede, it'll add its potency onto that attack or something similar. -
07-13-2015, 03:04 PMSnowaethThere are good reasons for players to dislike the new playstyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant
It is the most drastic change compared to the other jobs.
It comes too close to MCH/BLM playstyle which lowers the option of choice.
Players picked the job for how it played before.
These are things that have been expressed in other threads plenty enough though and not what this thread is about.
This thread is aimed at the issues the bard currently has in its new state.
Trying to find solution to the issues that come with this new playstyle.
Many of these problems stem from the original design not being built around cast times, which is causing some serious QoL issues.
I am hating on the playstyle change, but I am afraid that SE already made up their mind on that part.
So the next best thing is to try and fix the issues that actually came with this new playstyle to at least make it work smoothly and be more enjoyable.
I am pretty sure everyone can benefit from that not only current bards.
I am pretty sure however that it's the current bards especially the ones that put a lot of effort into their job before and/or after the changes that know best which QoL problems they'r running into.
More so than other players pointing at numbers and saying bards are fine. -
07-13-2015, 03:44 PMDuelle
I agree that utility skills should have their potencies removed and added to other skills to compensate.
Flaming Arrow would be a bit more tricky, though what I'd suggest is turning it into a buff that causes the next shot to place a flaming patch at the target's feet. The skill is there only to do damage (doesn't snare or incapacitate targets like Shadow Flare), unless being able to use it prior to pulls is tat important.
I like the idea of Bloodletter stacking on procs. An additional way to handle this would be to tret it like how procs work with normal casters where said procs reduce or remove cast times. Of course, the very nature of BL procs would have to change for that to work. -
07-13-2015, 03:58 PMViarI know. Count me all the situations you'd use Blunt Arrow in raids as it should be used? T1, T2... and?Quote:
I am trying to ease up the OGCD flow on the bard, by removing potencies from skills that are not meant as damaging tools at their core.
I agree that Blunt Arrow isn't particularly harmful to our rotation, but having it serve just for its purpose would still make our overall OGCD flow smoother.
The point was that DRG couldn't Elusive Jump their ass out of plumes the way BRD could.Quote:
A DRG is not really limited in his movement and Elusive Jump serves quite a different role for them
SS2 on BRD, always dreamed of this. (not really)Quote:
Still unsure about WP
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07-13-2015, 04:37 PMSen_TerrechantExcept you and the others like you are pretending Bard is in some god awful spot. Its pretty much the opposite, if you could pull your head out of your nether regions long enough to look around, you would realize with the changes Bard is in a better spot DPS wise then they ever have been if you can actually play properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowaeth
Heres the other thing, if you cant you might be bad. Good players have already adapted and arent flocking to the forums to demand insane buffs because ermagerd bard FEEELS bad to me.