Tanks, Trolls or bad?

Hey wait a minute...I just hit 51 on my dk and war and you're telling me they AREN'T dps???

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Originally Posted by Slappah

Hey wait a minute...I just hit 51 on my dk and war and you're yelling me they AREN'T dps???

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Only if we do a premade and I am tanking for you.

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Originally Posted by Ipkonfig

Well you have the ex-melee dps who went Dark Knight. They have zero idea how to tank, get crushed cause they don't rotate cool downs, and lose aggro all the time. You also have the Warriors who only run in Deliverance cause they want to do big Fel Cleaves and believe they are solid enough that they don't need tank stance, but healers suffer cause they are still the squishiest tank.

I don't think you are getting trolled you are just getting tanks who want to DPS.

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this is all true. I was trying to lvl my monk by spamming sohm al and we get this war tank in 130 gear which isn't the issue. I'm with a brd and he decides to pull the entire first mobs to the flower, no big, I know how to aoe as monk. The tank however dies in about 20 seconds. Now while I'm slowly killing and tanking one mob at a time and the bard is kiting the others, we are doing a pretty good job of surviving while killing the trash. The healer manages to swiftcast raise the tank. He just stands there while me and the brd finish off the last of the trash. Now the suddenly starts calling out the healer for being a noob and not being able to heal then drops out.

Now we are left standing there and I can't help but notice that the tank was the noob as he had Deliverance ON the entire time since we started the dungeon. I didn't say anything because if you are a warrior and you can't even notice something as simple as having Defiance on or even that you have lower hp then you have no business playing as the job, let alone being a tank.

Tell them the truth but don't be rude. I've been told to git gud several times by people who have every class on 50 and above. Some are nice, the others were just dicks. Please don't be the latter. I appreciate criticisms and well-written ones better. If they don't listen, don't say a word.

I queued up and did the first pull of a dungeon wearing glamor pieces once for an outfit I was debating glamoring to.

Though it was mixed in with my actual gear, wasn't too big a deal. It was pretty fun.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

I queued up and did the first pull of a dungeon wearing glamor pieces once for an outfit I was debating glamoring to.

Though it was mixed in with my actual gear, wasn't too big a deal. It was pretty fun.

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... now im trying to imagine healing something like that... it doesn't sound fun to me...

At lower levels, if a tank is wearing crappier gear than what he could have gotten with the class quests, it's trolling. Especially because you get a new weapon every class quest you complete.

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Originally Posted by Ashquar

Perhaps your right with regards to that. My FC leader is a Tank who is dps mad, so I am well acquainted with that concept, but the instance which sparked this whole thought off for me was today when I was doing a DR high run of Snowcloak. The tank was a fully Law geared including weapon, Warrior. He didn't use defiance which mean that myself (Summoner) and the Ninja were constantly ripping aggro from him within the first few seconds of a pull. He ignored all the mechanics of the dungeon and didn't respond to anything any of the party said. It got a bit annoying when I was having to run over to him every minute to get him to grab bosses off of me -_-

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Folks, don't let your friends drink and tank.
Hundreds of lalas die, every year, because of a drunken tank. "Sorry" will not bring your friend back to life, only the exasperated healer will.

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Originally Posted by Temjiu

there's 3 kinds of tanks OP.
Good tank = rusty and/or new, but Open to learning. Adapts fast...you can always tell as the pulls progressively get better and better. These usually evolve to great tanks.

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That's more or less how I found learning to Tank in this game to be, this being my first MMO proper with a real pull,tank, aggro system. Initially I wasn't particularly good. Most of what I've learned about tanking in XIV has come from friendly suggestions mid dungeon that I could apply directly into subsequent encounters and from there in the next dungeon I go to.

I see no reason not to take advice from other players in Dungeons, or from what you learn through failing an instance. E.G - Learning not to stand under meteors with Healers under them in my first attempt at the The Chrysalis freeing me up to get to the next meteor.