Why are mounts so pretty and egi's so bad?

Wish people would stop bashing the Summons.

Ifrit looks good.
Titan looks good.
Garuda looks... well ok Garuda isn't great.

Yes I'd make some tweaks if I was in charge, but the way some people go on you'd think looking at them caused your eyes to start melting.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Tomatoes turn red upon ripening, once the chlorophyll breaks down and lycopene becomes the dominant pigment. And the blue in the sky is a result of blue light being scattered more than other colors by the molecules in the air.

But what does this have to do with why the FFXIV designers have chosen to make one NPC model extremely detailed and another sub par?

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One is typically larger than a player and another is strategically designed to be third of the player size to avoid further clutter on screen during fights.

Why are minions so plain is design as well. It's all because something so small isn't going to justify excessive detail. Increasing art and detail will make something require more space and have something so small in the end require that much more isn't necessary.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

One is typically larger than a player and another is strategically designed to be third of the player size to avoid further clutter on screen during fights.

Why are minions so plain is design as well. It's all because something so small isn't going to justify excessive detail. Increasing art and detail will make something require more space and have something so small in the end require that much more isn't necessary.

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You really think minions are as important as egi's? This is a pet class that is final fantasy's main class in most games. I just think it's not really a fair comparison. I minion and a pet classes pet.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Tomatoes turn red upon ripening, once the chlorophyll breaks down and lycopene becomes the dominant pigment. And the blue in the sky is a result of blue light being scattered more than other colors by the molecules in the air.

But what does this have to do with why the FFXIV designers have chosen to make one NPC model extremely detailed and another sub par?

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Its an apples to oranges thing. Comparing two objects that are not the same object, and asking why one looks better than the other.

Its an argument that doesn't work, because the objects cannot be compared because they are two different objects.

Had the OP said "Why does Ifrit egi look cool, but garuda egi look like cat vomit" it would have been a good comparison because they're both egis.

But comparing mounts to egis doesn't make sense because they're not the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

One is typically larger than a player and another is strategically designed to be third of the player size to avoid further clutter on screen during fights.

Why are minions so plain is design as well. It's all because something so small isn't going to justify excessive detail. Increasing art and detail will make something require more space and have something so small in the end require that much more isn't necessary.

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Er.. those egis are nearly Lalafell sized. And I've seen some better looking minions.

More importantly, this is what LODs (level of detail) are for, so something close up (regardless of its physical size) can look nice while not chewing up a wasteful amount of resources when seen at a distance. Due to their nature of appearing smaller at a distance more quickly, smaller objects can LOD more quickly.

So, no, once you factor in LODs there is really no excuse for anything looking crappy simply because it's small. An egi can be larger than a mount on your screen if they are the correct distance from the camera.

I don't really mind Ifrit-egi to a certain extent; it looks a little more detailed and shaded than it's two counterparts. However, both Garuda-egi and Titan-egi look like lumps of green and orange; there's really not any detail in either model. They don't need to be any larger, but they definitely need to be a little more detailed. As it stands, they're both fairly underwhelming, especially Titan-egi.

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Originally Posted by DNO

You really think minions are as important as egi's? This is a pet class that is final fantasy's main class in most games. I just think it's not really a fair comparison. I minion and a pet classes pet.

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What? I don't have any idea how you could possibly say it was Final Fantasy's main class in most games.

FF1 - No SMN,
FF2 - I haven't played enough
FF3 - Job system where SMN was just one choice amongst many,
FF4 - the SMN was also a BLM and her Black Magic was typically better, main protagonist was Cecil who is a PLD,
FF5 - SMN was just one job amonst many again,
FF6 - no one was a SMN, summoning was a by-product of magicite, at best you could argue that Terra was a summon,
FF7 - no one was explicitly a summoner,
FF8 - no one was explicitly a summoner,
FF9 - First time it could be argued that summoner was the main class with Garnet,
FFX - You are absolutely right that summoner was the main class/focus,
FFXI - Job system, one amongst many,
FFXII - Definitely not the main class
FFXIII - Everyone had a summon, definitely not the main class

Summoning has been in the series for a long time but if we're thinking main classes, I typically think of White Mage, Black Mage, Fighter/Warrior/Paladin, Monk, and Thief/Ninja since those archtypes have existed in pretty much every single Final Fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Tomatoes turn red upon ripening, once the chlorophyll breaks down and lycopene becomes the dominant pigment. And the blue in the sky is a result of blue light being scattered more than other colors by the molecules in the air.

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nice. :)

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Originally Posted by Gyson

But what does this have to do with why the FFXIV designers have chosen to make one NPC model extremely detailed and another sub par?

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You're obviously clever enough to know what I was going for. Like the other person said, this is apples and oranges. The "I don't like how egi's look" topic has been done to death, then back to life, then to death again. Op was trying for a new angle by comparing them to mounts, but there's nothing to compare.

edit: inb4 titan gets called a chicken nugget

I like titan the most he looks like a cheetoh, but they could use a bit more detail or give more for variety I mean for a ramuh egi all they have to do is give you his adds lol, their adds look exactly like the egi styled primals

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Er.. those egis are nearly Lalafell sized. And I've seen some better looking minions.

More importantly, this is what LODs (level of detail) are for, so something close up (regardless of its physical size) can look nice while not chewing up a wasteful amount of resources when seen at a distance. Due to their nature of appearing smaller at a distance more quickly, smaller objects can LOD more quickly.

So, no, once you factor in LODs there is really no excuse for anything looking crappy simply because it's small. An egi can be larger than a mount on your screen if they are the correct distance from the camera.

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God help us the idiot who wants to just zoom in on an Egi during a fight, right? Point is, it's there, but relative to how long you're looking at in a fight compared toe everything else going on around you, no, it doesn't need excessive detail. It's wasted effort to make something as detail as Twintania be the size and relevance of a pet.