Dear Yoship, HUGE thank you from a SMN

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Painflare gives you the attunement needed to use Deathflare, which is learned at level 60. The downside is you require 3 stacks of this to use Deathflare so unless you're using only using your aetherflow on painflare, you'll probably be using Deathflare less than you might want. That being said, Deathflare is a 400 potency AoE attack, which is pretty powerful. If you're fighting groups of mobs, it might work out better than Bane for those 60 seconds.

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That's not how it works at all. Don't post things you don't know about as if they were facts.

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Originally Posted by odie

Wait....summoner doesn't have pets anymore?

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We have pets, just no new ones.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

That's not how it works at all. Don't post things you don't know about as if they were facts.

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Oh, so you don't need 3 stacks to enter Dreadwyrm Trance, which is needed to cast Deathflare? Those stacks aren't given by Painflare? Please do enlighten me, oh gracious one. Maybe Dreadwyrm Trace doesn't vanish after Deathflare's activation?

Exactly which point was I incorrect on?

Love the new SMN, but agree with some people, the whole emphasis of the job has been placed on you, the player, and filling yourself with Bahamuts power, the egi's feel like they're.. just there, now more than ever.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Oh, so you don't need 3 stacks to enter Dreadwyrm Trance, which is needed to cast Deathflare? Those stacks aren't given by Painflare? Please do enlighten me, oh gracious one. Maybe Dreadwyrm Trace doesn't vanish after Deathflare's activation?

Exactly which point was I incorrect on?

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Fester, Painflare, Bane and Energy Drain all build stacks for Dreadwyrm Trance not just Painflare as you say.

Still only has one useful egi for party play though.

I still think they need to go back to the drawing board.

It's a powerful job now, but it's not even remotely a "summoner."

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I still think they need to go back to the drawing board.

It's a powerful job now, but it's not even remotely a "summoner."

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They can't pleasing everyone, I was and still happy with ffxiv smn.

Well its pretty obvious they are pushing things slightly away from the pet and giving more to the player. I honestly feel hard pressed to even call a summoner a "pet" class now considering the dps they are bringing out with dreadwyrm stance.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I still think they need to go back to the drawing board.

It's a powerful job now, but it's not even remotely a "summoner."

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We don't really care. Function > aesthetics.