My Opinion about the Dark knights need redesigning threads.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart401

squishy without a shield? have you seen warriors? do you play dark knight? I've tanked extreme mode fights.

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Any of the two tanks can do the job of a DRK better than a DRK could. That's the problem. You can do damage/threat while tanking, great. Now the unchained WAR will pull it from you in one rotation. You can mitigate, great. Why is that PLD sleeping through the tank busters while you nearly shit yourself attempting to get it mitigated?

Off tank DPS? Fell Cleave is leaving you behind.

I mean, if you like to work hard for sub-standard results, that's great. No one else here does.

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Originally Posted by TheCount

Someone participating in a race can complete it at a snails pace too, that doesn't mean it's correct or that he doesn't need improving.

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that is true it is a different pace but everyone works at a different pace. They're all suppose to be the same cause they are a tanks but they should have their differences which makes them unique.

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Originally Posted by Asierid

Off tank DPS? Fell Cleave is leaving you behind.

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Can you please link me to these insane WAR dps parses (or vids) that everyone seems to be talking about? I have seen DRK at 900+, but nothing for WAR yet.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

you don't need a raid to come out to know that blood price is awkward as hell in it's current implementation or that grit is annoying

but really there is always going to be complaining because of people attempting to min-max at the low end. or because class A has a tool that makes class b & c less desirable for a particular duty.

as far as "suck less" goes, while i agree with it often... if it yielded any kind of desirable result i probably wouldn't get into dungeon groups where dragoons are splitting their dps and running into every bomb on the map.

just remember that there is a difference between expressing concerns and whining for buffs.

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I agree with you entirely with the class tools example and I think that makes people form these threads. Cause I honestly enjoy the class the way it is. Every class has its hubrus or its challenges but that makes the class enjoyable. learning to manage mp while tanking is different but fun.

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Originally Posted by Asierid

Any of the two tanks can do the job of a DRK better than a DRK could. That's the problem. You can do damage/threat while tanking, great. Now the unchained WAR will pull it from you in one rotation. You can mitigate, great. Why is that PLD sleeping through the tank busters while you nearly shit yourself attempting to get it mitigated?

Off tank DPS? Fell Cleave is leaving you behind.

I mean, if you like to work hard for sub-standard results, that's great. No one else here does.

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dark arts with the enmity combo drowns out everyone else's hate.
if those other tanks are playing properly, they would have their tank stance off and not be as big of a threat as the dark is.
dark arts is so clutch and its always ready for you.
if other tanks are giving you hate problem dark arts and enmity combo.
paladin mitigate. warriors compensate and drks mit/comp/evade.
have you tried dark arts passenger followed with dark arts dark dance? evasion is nice.

you can use "dark passenger and dark arts" interchangeably with "dark dance and dark arts" or use them at the same time and you'll be evading often. this coupled with int mitigation and the damage mitigation. have blood price on at all times and spam the souleater combo, you shouldn't be running out of mp as a tank. dark arts with abyssal drain is awesome on big pulls. i dont see the hate that dark knight has been getting

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Originally Posted by Lionheart401

you can use "dark passenger and dark arts" interchangeably with "dark dance and dark arts" or use them at the same time and you'll be evading often. this coupled with int mitigation and the damage mitigation. have blood price on at all times and spam the souleater combo, you shouldn't be running out of mp as a tank. dark arts with abyssal drain is awesome on big pulls. i dont see the hate that dark knight has been getting

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The blind that doesn't apply to many bosses and "Blood Price" which does not give you back enough mana against a single target and is mostly useful only when dealing with trash mobs. Just the same Dark Dance doesn't do much against a single large boss and is RNG with that evasion for the short duration that it is active. Again, couple this in particular with the DRK inability to keep their damage debuff up and their int debuff being worse than the one from another class and you do have some things that need adjusting.

The only thing iI would like to see changed is that int debuff taken off and replaced with a buff to yourself that mitigates damage by 5 or 10%. Or whatever would be balanced.

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Originally Posted by Jamez82

The only thing iI would like to see changed is that int debuff taken off and replaced with a buff to yourself that mitigates damage by 5 or 10%. Or whatever would be balanced.

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I wouldn't mind that, sounds like a pretty good thing to have as a tank

You're presenting your own speculation based on your limited experience as if it were fact, at this point. This is no longer a thread about your opinion, but why you insist that DRK is fine the way it is.

It isn't. People are grossly exaggerating how far behind other tanks it is, but the fact remains right now that if you have three equally geared tanks on your character, you'll feel obligated to play either a PLD or a WAR if you want to have a stable, comfortable tanking experience.

No one's arguing DRK isn't clearing, or can't clear, 4 mans or story content but that's such a tiny piece of the game it isn't even worth discussing in balancing conversations.

Dark Dance + Dark Arts gives you +30% parry rate and +20% evasion. That is not going to save you from a burst ability in the same way Sheltron or Raw Intuition would. It might. But then it might not. Your party isn't going to roll the dice when it comes to tank busters if the alternative of blocking or parrying it with 100% success exists.