With Fire IV coming along...what happens to Flare?

Oh, you have official confirmation Fire IV is not an AOE?

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Oh, you have official confirmation Fire IV is not an AOE?

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There is no way it's AoE. The potency is roughly the same as flare and isn't that high a MP, which means it can be spammed. That'd be like quadruple flaring. That's be insanely OP

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Oh, you have official confirmation Fire IV is not an AOE?

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So you think it's another Fire II, same cast time, 2.5x the potency, 2/3 the MP cost?

Do you have any reason whatsoever to think it's AoE?

Did I say I think it's another Fire II? Don't put words in my mouth. I just asked if someone here has official knowledge that it is or is not an AOE?

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Did I say I think it's another Fire II? Don't put words in my mouth. I just asked if someone here has official knowledge that it is or is not an AOE?

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You asked a question in a smart ass manner implying that it was.

If Fire IV was AoE, it would more than double our AoE rotation damage, and BLM already blows everyone else out of the water. If it were AoE, the design of Enocian means that we should expect AoE content that takes well over a minute to destroy, unless you don't have a BLM, in which case it takes half an hour.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

You asked a question in a smart ass manner implying that it was.

If Fire IV was AoE, it would more than double our AoE rotation damage, and BLM already blows everyone else out of the water. If it were AoE, the design of Enocian means that we should expect AoE content that takes well over a minute to destroy, unless you don't have a BLM, in which case it takes half an hour.

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You don't know me, therefore you have absolutely no idea to what manner my question was meant to convey. That was an assumption on your part.

Good day to you.

They are right though. Imagine being able to Flare 4 times without convert and transposing. Mixing Flares and Fire 4's, you can potentially end up with SEVEN FLARES-TYPE spells (convert, Mega-Ethers). Seven Flares? You kidding me? What trash can survive 7 flares, ESPECIALLY if they are used in conjunction with Foe's Requiem or partially with Raging Strikes. Even without Convert and Ethers, you'd get 5 flares in a single rotation. 2 BLMing dungeons would be resemblant of old-school Brayflox; clearing full dungeons in 10 minutes if not less. It's only logical to assume that it isn't AoE.

It'd be cool if Fire 4 had a 20% chance of inflicting Burn on the enemy, but AoE is something you can rule against.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Flare will require a minimum 884 MP to cast at 60, Fire IV will be 1768 MP at 60

Flare is 1.6x GCD, Fire IV is 1.2x GCD

Flare is AoE, Fire IV is not

Other than the ST damage being very close, they are very different spells, for very different uses.

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Sorry if this is a really stupid question, it's late and my brain is only working @ 50%, but I just can't seem to figure out what you mean with the 1.6x and 1.2x, please explain ;D

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Originally Posted by Pyroclastic

Sorry if this is a really stupid question, it's late and my brain is only working @ 50%, but I just can't seem to figure out what you mean with the 1.6x and 1.2x, please explain ;D

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I was referring to the cast time of the spells in relation to the GCD time.

Base GCD is 2.5 seconds. Base Flare is 4.0 seconds, 1.6 times the GCD. Base Fire IV is 3.0 seconds, 1.2 times the GCD.

Cast time decreases in proportion to your GCD with spell speed.

All I have to say is, Fire IV shortens Enochian, so I don't expect it to be spammed very much.