On the subject of FCoB farms and greed parties.

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Originally Posted by Deefunx

Joined PF on Phoenix lad.

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Sorry, don't quite understand the point of your post? Not being a dk, genuinely don't get your point lol.

Are Phoenix need parties that much better? I'm legitimately curious coming form Balmung where G>N with locks is the standard. We fill parties relatively fast, you pick an item you want exclusively to yourself (first come first served) and sometimes a secondary item that 2 people will lot on. Typically experienced parties go well regardless of if people are on their main job or not. Usually, the parties that fail are people who are on their main job but just aren't as familiar with the fight, having only cleared it once or twice or bought their win.

Honestly, no, the need parties aren't much better. I've been spending a couple of weeks on and off the party finder, and outwith of dragging some of my friends (who have been farming it for months), into the fight it's extremely rare to actually get a kill.

Phoenix end-game is terrible. I have to resort to pf for progression but it's filled with kill groups that fail at phase one. It almost makes me want to switch which might be a possibility once the new data centers are released. I just suffered through 3 weeks of t12 farming/failing to then roll a 3 on the loot i wanted when it finally dropped. Greed parties with a loot list is a great idea, however the skill level of the server in general isn't suited for it.

I feel your pain mate. Think i've bumped into you a few times actually. When second coil was still lockout, i was farming it for months without getting any loot, and eventually managed when it became farmable properly.

Same deal with final coil. I have an awesome static now, and when we get together we own it, but a lot of time i'm on PF trying to farm, and it's just not a great place.

You will never get this to work on this server. People are idiots.

You'll get 3 possibilities.

1. Your group fails.
2. People will need on items.
3. People will join with the class they need gear on and come with shit dps. Making 2nd possibility 100%.

Suprised no one has told OP that you can bypass the character limit on your posts by editing.
so no need for all those posts.

I dont think its a matter of skill even though it kinda comes off that way, its more the concept of being on the job you want gear for. If you arent on that job and unable to roll need then why do you get gear for it if someone else can roll need? "play your job or wait til others need" kinda spells this out but in a harsh way. This seems to me, to be more of an indication of general progress on the server. It seems the people making these PF posts on most servers already have gear for mains and are expecting others similar, so you play the job thats most geared so the win is easier, but you are there to gear up your secondary jobs for fun, hence greed > need.

Maybe on that server there is a far less clear rate for coil and the motivated players are trying to gear up their first jobs, or an indication there are more statics on that server and less pugging all around? who knows. I cant say one is better than the other, but Im used to being in a static so we are geared already, but when we pug we do greed > need and expect the people joining to bring their best geared jobs regardless of what they need for it.

Greed parties are necessary on farm side so people can use their main jobs and to fill the PT quickly.
I was used to play on a Legacy server and we had greed parties since the primals.

I think it just depends on what gear people are looking for.

I did about 30 kills just to SEE my Dreadwyrm Grimoire one time. I'm not competing with others for this for sure. :D
And since I'm farming mostly with my "Static" of five people, I can roll on GLT-stuff every time against 3 other people the most.

Thus it doesn't make sense for us to join greed-parties, because the five of us already worked out who rolls on what and there is only 1-3 other guys who'll roll on it too then.

If you're about gearing your secondary classes, then greed-groups are certainly fine.
But looking for my main-weapon I'd prefer normal farm groups.