Fixing Our Image

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Originally Posted by HexWeaver

Let tanks and healers complete duties by themselves mwahaha

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Well i don't see how that would be an issue.

Seriously. You want to improve dps reputation ? You can't really do that. What you can do is improve YOUR reputation as a dps. I'm sorry but when you do 20% less than what you could do, usually i decide it's my lucky day... A high number of DPS push less than 50% of what they could, and during a number of PF FCOB runs, i can't remember the last t10 or t11 where i did not have between 1 and 3 people pushing less than 350 dps with echo. Not saying that ALL dps are bad, obviously. Just saying -- there is a high number of them that just don't give a fuck.

That being said i also see lazy tanks and bad healers. But those are usually spotted quickly (well, healers at least) and stand out much more easily. DPS on the other hand are allowed to get away with whatever crap they want as long as things die -- and with i130, echo, and a couple of people carrying their asses, let me tell you, DPS in FCOB can get away with A LOT of shit.

imo there are a lot of "niche" abilities that dps have available, by niche I mean they can probably get by without ever using... but if they do use, then it's a sign they know what they're doing. Things like blm teleport - in most content you can get away with never using this move, but if I see a blm using it, I'll know they're doing all they can to be at the top of their game.

As dps, it's easy to be average, but hard to stand out.
And parsers aside, their are other things that show up bad dps, brd's that never sing anything, nin's that never goad, etc

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Originally Posted by Casper

Well i don't see how that would be an issue.

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Memories...

Just don't suck.

All classes can look good.

Also on the flip side of the coin, its really, really easy to be a "good" healer if the rest of the group is good - if noone is taking damage, well, you can afk cure the tank.

Similarly, a craptacular tank just going 1-2-3 can be saved by a good healer or if dps can burn through enrages etc even if the tank knows nothing about cooldowns.

All roles can suck pretty bad.

After the sheer amount of people of various classes in Final Coil gear who still sucked, I can say that it's by far not always DPS who are bad players. Statistically, DPS is the most played class, so naturally most bad people you encounter will happen to be on DPS at that time.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

After the sheer amount of people of various classes in Final Coil gear who still sucked, I can say that it's by far not always DPS who are bad players. Statistically, DPS is the most played class, so naturally most bad people you encounter will happen to be on DPS at that time.

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As said, i don't think that to be true. The problem is the feedback loop. When healers or tanks make mistakes, usually the group will wipe. If adds were not taken, the tank will have no choice but to realize he messed up. If tanks died, either the tank messed up their CD or healer focused on the wrong thing. Not ALL tanks and healers will take notice, but a significant proportion will.

When a dps make mistakes repeatedly, due to the absence of feedback if he doesn't use a parser, he will most likely bo completely oblivious to those mistakes. There is literally zero chance for him to realize he does not do things properly without someone stepping in and telling him that he does things wrong, which will end badly for the group more likely than not.

Over time, what you end up with is a situation where tanks and healers get much better at their respective roles than DPS at theirs, because of the difference in natural feedback. Not all tanks and healers will be great, far from it, and not all DPS will suck balls, obviously, but statistically speaking ? Yeah there are a lot more DPS that not only suck at their job, but are completely clueless about it, compared to tanks and healers, for which a much greater proportion of their respective playerbase will have at least some understanding of how they should play their role.

^ Yes.

I play both a DPS job and Tank main... I will tell you I get alot more people angry at me on my tank. It's just the nature of the beast... other than the DPS dying from mechanics I have almost no way to accurately track who is doing better than the other guy. I'm just trying to make their jobs as easy as possible. Until there is some way for me the accurately tell who is doing better than the other guy ( without keying through the battle log) then I simply won't know.

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Originally Posted by HexWeaver

Let tanks and healers complete duties by themselves mwahaha

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Do it all the time as the DPS are usually dead and ain't worth reviving. ;)

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

Do it all the time as the DPS are usually dead and ain't worth reviving. ;)

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Maybe that's the issue. Maybe DPS lacks a certain...necessity that makes people want to excel at them. I mean, tanks and healers have a clear importance. If they fail it's basically a guaranteed wipe, but DPS just...hit stuff.

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

Maybe that's the issue. Maybe DPS lacks a certain...necessity that makes people want to excel at them. I mean, tanks and healers have a clear importance. If they fail it's basically a guaranteed wipe, but DPS just...hit stuff.

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I fix my image by giving 110% towards maximizing dps regardless of content. I pop food/pots for every end game encounter wether it's t13 or garuda ex, study ways to do more damage (by maybe delaying an AOE ability for an add phase, etc) and most importantly, providing feedback to the dpsers that aren't doing too hot. I feed off the compliments I get for the 600+ parses, and use that as motivation to try to do better.