Booting for the dumbest reasons.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

And yeah...i figured you did give people attitude. I've seen, many times, people on classes in Lota (not just tanks, but heals and dps) and besides asking why, no one cared (unless they were just *bad*). Funny thing too, half the time it wouldn't be noticed til atomos when people try to figure out who is on platform duty...

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they never even gave me a chance to be good or bad >..> They booted me before the first boss. And they harrased me in Chat the whole time, which i copy pasted for the GM i spoke with anyways, that's beside the point. My point is, why kick someone for having more fun with the game? Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean you should kick them, I did my job. I wasnt the main tank, that was Mr Hot shot PLD who said "Im tanking everything"

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

"Difference in play style". Unless someone says something damning in chat, it's likely nothing will be done about it.

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yeah, the first thing they said when i got in the Que was "Im going to boot you first chance i get FYI" that alone is enough for a GM

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Originally Posted by Nanaho

yeah, the first thing they said when i got in the Que was "Im going to boot you first chance i get FYI" that alone is enough for a GM

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Yeah, we had a group openly trolling Phlegethon (or however it's spelled) by not going to the platforms. That, they can do something about. Had the group kept their mouths shut and not gloated about making everyone miserable and just feigned ignorance, the GMs wouldn't have been able to do anything.

It could also be possible that people didn't really like the fact that you queued as a tank but set yourself up to play as a dps. Sure, LotA may not really need 6 tanks, but is it really fair to the others in your raid, and particularly the other tank in your party, to force that on them? IMO, no and if you queue as a tank, you should come in as a tank, not a psuedo-dps. If after you get in and the other tank wants to tank everything and you be OT/extra dps, then sure turn off Defiance and go to town, just don't force it on others by queueing as MRD.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

It could also be possible that people didn't really like the fact that you queued as a tank but set yourself up to play as a dps. Sure, LotA may not really need 6 tanks, but is it really fair to the others in your raid, and particularly the other tank in your party, to force that on them? IMO, no and if you queue as a tank, you should come in as a tank, not a psuedo-dps.

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People do this, but it's not as noticeable when the Tank does it, it is noticeable when a Healer does it. In either case, if you see a non-DPS in a DPS stance and the party is failing pretty hard, that's who is responsible.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

It could also be possible that people didn't really like the fact that you queued as a tank but set yourself up to play as a dps. Sure, LotA may not really need 6 tanks, but is it really fair to the others in your raid, and particularly the other tank in your party, to force that on them? IMO, no and if you queue as a tank, you should come in as a tank, not a psuedo-dps.

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That's dumb. There's no difference between him queueing on mrd or queueing on war and refusing to tank anything and being a tower hog, or non-defiance dps

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

People do this, but it's not as noticeable when the Tank does it, it is noticeable when a Healer does it. In either case, if you see a non-DPS in a DPS stance and the party is failing pretty hard, that's who is responsible.

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There needs to be an achievement for healers "The Most Interesting Healer In Eorzea" For completing a full party duty in cleric stance. "I don't often heal, but when I do, I do it in Cleric Stance".

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

That's dumb. There's no difference between him queueing on mrd or queueing on war and refusing to tank anything and being a tower hog, or non-defiance dps

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QFT. All it takes is switching to sword oath or turning defiance off and voila! Instant dps. No queuing as a class necessary.

That wasn't my point. The point is that it's not "unfair" to the other tanks in the party to queue as mrd, anymore than it is unfair to decide you don't want to be MT if you did queue on WAR.
Let him queue how he wants to.

Firstly, given identical gear and a correct skill set, a MRD will out dps a WAR. If you cannot make that happen, you are doing something wrong with your skills or rotation.

The second point is that MRD can bring a good set of cross class skills that are much more beneficial than war, such as Goad, and invigorate.

Thirdly, although a mrd would ideally be relegated to dps duty exclusively, in the need to tank something, hate should not be an issue at all. Again, if on mrd, doing maximum damage, with enmity building skills, if you are losing hate, you are doing something wrong.

All that said, the dps increase from MRD is minimal, and really just staying warrior is so much easier than having an alternate class set, etc.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

Firstly, given identical gear and a correct skill set, a MRD will out dps a WAR. If you cannot make that happen, you are doing something wrong with your skills or rotation.

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Even if that is true, you queued as a tank. In the event that you are needed to perform that function, you won't be able to.

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The second point is that MRD can bring a good set of cross class skills that are much more beneficial than war, such as Goad, and invigorate.

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Which your party's DRG or MNK or NIN should be doing and will likely do better thanks to class features. You queued as a tank and you may be called up on to do that.

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Thirdly, although a mrd would ideally be relegated to dps duty exclusively, in the need to tank something, hate should not be an issue at all. Again, if on mrd, doing maximum damage, with enmity building skills, if you are losing hate, you are doing something wrong.

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In BLM, I will strip hate off of a defiance-less WAR or a MRD in 2 spells. That's not a guess either. Sometimes the first Fire III does it by itself.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

That wasn't my point. The point is that it's not "unfair" to the other tanks in the party to queue as mrd, anymore than it is unfair to decide you don't want to be MT if you did queue on WAR.
Let him queue how he wants to.

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I genuinely don't care if he queues as a class for LotA and I agree with you that it's no more unfair than the PLD who goes sword oath the whole time. If this was newer content, I'd probably say something, but the OP made it clear that they don't run newer content as MRD.