Abandoning a Duty? Just Stahp...

I queued as scholar into an in progress garuda hm today.. 45 mins to go, had 2 tanks and 1 dps. I was quite confused, but they were excited to try, so I figured to myself I'd stick around for one wipe and if it looked bad, I'd drop out (since I just wanted to finish a mahatma off before work).

Was a little slow and I saw phases that I hadn't seen in quite awhile, but we did clear it! I was able to keep everyone alive through the big aoe (almost all rocks down, one tank only survived with 100 HP), then a whm joined soon after. Picked up two dps during the fight and never got the fourth. I didn't ask what led to that party in the first place, but I was curious..

If you can't beat a duty first time by rolling your face around on your keyboard and getting carried, it's clearly either overtuned or not worth the effort.

This thread is about ppl whining because someone wastes their time by quitting a group they feel is a waste of their time...

Aren't both sides correct in these situations? Both don't want their time wasted. If you wipe on easy stuff like dungeons and t5... Then it means one or more ppl in the group are expecting a carry. By that I mean, they could have prepped more for content that is oldish and well documented... Plus echo effect

If ppl feel their time is wasted, why rant that its unjustified? Its hypocritical... Chances are they have either better things to do than wipe while waiting for less competent ppl 2 get good.

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

If you can't beat a duty first time by rolling your face around on your keyboard and getting carried, it's clearly either overtuned or not worth the effort.

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No. If the fight relies too much on overlapping mechanics and RNG factors to confuse and frustrate non-elitist players, it is overtuned.

Don't know about your server, but in my server there are people that were giving a away free Coil and Primal clears during christmas.

The are also people willing to do it for free for the 100 sold bonus (though this died down)

Thereare also occasionally (but rare now) learning parties where some already cleared the fight, but are willing to teach people for free in PF. This was how I go my clear. After only 3 wipes and being taught we cleared.

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

If you wipe on easy stuff like dungeons and t5... Then it means one or more ppl in the group are expecting a carry. By that I mean, they could have prepped more for content that is oldish and well documented... Plus echo effect

If ppl feel their time is wasted, why rant that its unjustified? Its hypocritical... Chances are they have either better things to do than wipe while waiting for less competent ppl 2 get good.

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Or you know, they're learning the fight still. Not everyone has a static that they can learn with and not everyone has an FC that is capable of helping them through coil. So the only way some people can learn those fights is through DF.
T5 used to be quite challenging when it first came out. Now that those who have cleared it and farmed it not only know the fight, but are over geared like you wouldn't believe, of course it is easy to say that the content is "easy".

But no, instead let's just get on our high horse and say that all of these people want to be carried.

Ffs, why do people bother queuing up for roulettes if they aren't prepared for the possibility that they might run into newbies and people with limited experience?

I have noticed this attitude a lot the past few months...

It's funny, because I always say "oh great, now that we got the boss to 40% you wanna bail? you do realize the next group is gonna be just as bad as this one, right? with the difference that you'll start back again at wiping on 80%."

Some people just don't get it.

Sometimes it's better to just bail you know it's pretty bad when you ask if anyone needs directions or if they know the fight and no one responds.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

Or you know, they\\'re learning the fight still. Not everyone has a static that they can learn with and not everyone has an FC that is capable of helping them through coil. So the only way some people can learn those fights is through DF.
T5 used to be quite challenging when it first came out. Now that those who have cleared it and farmed it not only know the fight, but are over geared like you wouldn\\'t believe, of course it is easy to say that the content is "easy".

But no, instead let\\'s just get on our high horse and say that all of these people want to be carried.

Ffs, why do people bother queuing up for roulettes if they aren\\'t prepared for the possibility that they might run into newbies and people with limited experience?

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Both parties have Party Finder at their disposal. Your cynicism is cute though.

At least you gave it a good try, now look: stop trying to insinuate elitism and demonify me for stating observations from personal experience. I stated a fact in that, old content is well documented in many forms. If people want to be relevant in a duty then they should go into it with not just expectations but knowledge. Otherwise they are a disservice to everyone else that took the time to ensure they were prepared.

Simply stating someone is new and therefore incapable aren't the issue here. Its not the implication I'm addressing rather its the actuality of events that take place wherein one who is less experienced expects the gratuity of strangers without implied effort on their own part to be accommodating to the needs of others as well.

Newbiness doesn't warrant disregard to the practicality of preparedness. Its a lesson more seasoned players have learned the hard way through the exact same reiterations of past failure. Is it wrong to ask newer people to learn from the experience of others?

Those "high horses" are simply all too familiar with failure. Which is usually why they resist the occasion when possible to experience more.

Be intelligent, not just a witch hunter.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

No. If the fight relies too much on overlapping mechanics and RNG factors to confuse and frustrate non-elitist players, it is overtuned.

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Sorry buddy, I have to correct you there. If the fight requires any thinking whatsoever, it is overtuned. Prime example would be the Steps of Faith. /s

Jokes aside, the only time where I have to question people when it comes to abandoning is when they don't want to eat the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

Ffs, why do people bother queuing up for roulettes if they aren't prepared for the possibility that they might run into newbies and people with limited experience?

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Eh, people just have high expectations I guess. The rewards for completing the daily roulettes are pretty enticing. Add the fact that we have the whole ' we want everything now now now' mentality (*cough* relic quest chain *cough*) into the mix, and you get players who want everything to run super fast and super efficient. I can understand where they're coming from though. The dungeons do get repetitive after the first few weeks.