Need help understanding BiS(best in slot)

I can say with certainty that, while the exact balances change for most classes, BRDs have the "privilege" of having a stat that's nigh useless for them: Skill Speed. All it does is drain TP, and every point in skill speed is a point that could be in Crit, which affects their bloodletter procs.

Other than that, on the other end of the spectrum we have BLM, who gets a LOT from spell speed (i've heard there's a sort of cap or something, though) and det and crit.

There's SOME wiggle room, but in general most classes have a stat you don't need a whole lot of.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

I can say with certainty that, while the exact balances change for most classes, BRDs have the "privilege" of having a stat that's nigh useless for them: Skill Speed. All it does is drain TP, and every point in skill speed is a point that could be in Crit, which affects their bloodletter procs.

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Skill Speed hurst everyone because of the limited resource. Spell speed works great for BLM because of unlimited resource.

That said, Skill speed does MORE to Bard than extra useless accuracy. It may not give MUCH, and certainly won't help once you're out of TP, but it will improve DPS ever so slightly on the way there...

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Originally Posted by Docent

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Of course. BiS is always going to differ based on the content it is applied too. But what Makado stated is plain wrong. Each class has its own weights, each class has its own requirements. WAR needs to ACC cap, and then hit the SS breakpoint for 9-hit Berserk, and then get Det and Crit, for example. If you just throw on gear without knowing what you need, you're going to come out subpar.

Edit: For example, I see this thrown around as "WAR BIS" a lot by people who don't understand priorities. See the glaring problem? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PQXT

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Originally Posted by Zaft

Edit: For example, I see this thrown around as "WAR BIS" a lot by people who don't understand priorities. See the glaring problem? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PQXT

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Where to start?

Under accuracy cap for T13 (555/558), over accuracy cap for anything else in the game, and doesn't have the "minimum" of 390 skill speed recommended by DPS-focused warriors?
571 accuracy if the eat Caviar, which seems overkill. (Is that BiS supposed to eat Black Truffles, or god forbid, bacon bread?)
It's not using melded Platinum accessories, either...

Exactly. There are clear problems with it. We know that it isn't BiS. That's why statements like this:

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Originally Posted by Makado

Best in slot is totally up to you. Get your accuracy cap for the content your doing, which is most important and then just put on gear that adds other damage increasing stats.

Overall though the only thing that you will really notice a differencr if you really stack completely in one stat. Otherwise, as long as you have a high Ilvl you won't really see much difference in anything changing around 15-25 points of secondary stats.

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Are doing far more harm than they are good.

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Originally Posted by Zaft

Exactly. There are clear problems with it. We know that it isn't BiS. That's why statements like this:



Are doing far more harm than they are good.

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Yes. So much harm to the community for explaining that after accuracy cap unless you stack a particular stat that it really makes no difference what you wear. If you can show me a 130 BiS vs a 130 with the opposite gear doing the exact same rotation that has a SIZABLE DPS difference then you can say that. But the truth is as long as same item level gear is used in the end its going to be to close to even care.

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Originally Posted by Docent

Skill Speed hurst everyone because of the limited resource. Spell speed works great for BLM because of unlimited resource.

That said, Skill speed does MORE to Bard than extra useless accuracy. It may not give MUCH, and certainly won't help once you're out of TP, but it will improve DPS ever so slightly on the way there...

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This is true, but it should only be a last resort. There's a reason the kirimu pants are considered BIS pre-FCOB despite only being 110

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Originally Posted by kyuven

This is true, but it should only be a last resort. There's a reason the kirimu pants are considered BIS pre-FCOB despite only being 110

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Now that twines are out, I really really doubt any melded 110 can beat a 130, even with the worse stats.... I haven't checked the Kirimu pants and Ironworks one, mind you.

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Originally Posted by Docent

Now that twines are out, I really really doubt any melded 110 can beat a 130, even with the worse stats.... I haven't checked the Kirimu pants and Ironworks one, mind you.

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Well see, the kirimu pants can have accuracy as well as both DET and CRIT. The DET makes up for the difference in DEX, more or less, and the CRIT is, well, the BRD bread and butter.
the ironworks pants have accuracy and skill speed. I only wear them because I can't afford the kirimu pants just yet and need the accuracy. Since skill speed basically does nothing for bards, it means the stat slot is "wasted" whereas the kirimu pants get use out of all 3 stats they can hold.

Wow, so many great and detailed answers, thank you. I have a better understanding now.

Another question: When I use ariyala's calc, without fcob gear because I don't have any yet. And it lists gear that I don't have, how do I know what is the second best item when it only gives you a green line for the best which I may not have?