What happens if... (expansion question)

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Originally Posted by Airget

however with odds of Rowens being in Ishgard that means in order to purchase these new pieces of armor you'll need to be in Ishgard.

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not true we buy our armour from rowena's employee's who work in mordhona in rowena's house of splendours,rowena herself will be in ishgaurd to most likely set up a second shop :3

and i agree with a few people if your character is AU RA and you try to play on something without heavenward that character will most likely be unplayable, it would be a mercy if SE let you play as a au ra but i could see people then using a single computer race changing then not buying heavenward (for whatever reason)

Was already said that if you have the CE on one platform, buying the regular on another you will still get all of your CE items on either platform. You only need to buy a second license to access the second platform, everything else just is extra. So buy the CE for PC (or PS4) then the regular for the other and you will have access to everything.

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Originally Posted by Airget

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That isn't actually how most MMOs work. You upgrade your ACCOUNT, not your computer. Every system with the game installed gets the full update, and when you pay for the expansion, it unlocks things that are already there, so if you log onto a friend's computer who doesn't have the expansion, you'll be able to play expansion content.

I don't know why XIV isn't doing that. Pay for an account upgrade, not an upgrade on the system itself. It feels like they're trying to double-dip.

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Originally Posted by peaches

That isn't actually how most MMOs work. You upgrade your ACCOUNT, not your computer. Every system with the game installed gets the full update, and when you pay for the expansion, it unlocks things that are already there, so if you log onto a friend's computer who doesn't have the expansion, you'll be able to play expansion content.

I don't know why XIV isn't doing that. Pay for an account upgrade, not an upgrade on the system itself. It feels like they're trying to double-dip.

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I think it's more to do with Sony and Valve wanting a slice of the pie on their platforms.

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Originally Posted by Seig345

I think it's more to do with Sony and Valve wanting a slice of the pie on their platforms.

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its simply this and the fact that SE wants more profits,
when placing out something that is called an expansion and with the update system they could simply update for free but the subscription costs won't give them a profit over production costs, so selling it like they have allows them to cover the costs of making 3.0 while making a profit,

as for valve and psn Valve have a 15% take on all sales (unless it is a company) (indie devs dependant on there price can have valve take 20% of there costs if they were green lighted)
for PSN for companies SONY take 20%
(25 to 15 % for indie or for 'big releases') which results of PS4 games being so expensive

basically everyone wants profits, sony and valve syphon from the main price of the game to cover there costs and make a profit while SE is trying to cover the costs of making heavenward while making a profit

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

its simply this and the fact that SE wants more profits,
when placing out something that is called an expansion and with the update system they could simply update for free but the subscription costs won't give them a profit over production costs, so selling it like they have allows them to cover the costs of making 3.0 while making a profit,

as for valve and psn Valve have a 15% take on all sales (unless it is a company) (indie devs dependant on there price can have valve take 20% of there costs if they were green lighted)
for PSN for companies SONY take 20%
(25 to 15 % for indie or for 'big releases') which results of PS4 games being so expensive

basically everyone wants profits, sony and valve syphon from the main price of the game to cover there costs and make a profit while SE is trying to cover the costs of making heavenward while making a profit

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Honestly I call BS on needing to sell the expansion to make their money back - one month's subscription from everybody is a LOT of money. Yea it definitely helps profits, but subs alone are a massive money maker.

There's absolutely no reason to charge every system for the expansion. You can play any other MMO on any computer, even if that computer didn't buy the game - because the game is a free download, and the cost is giving the code to the account, and not the computer.

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Originally Posted by peaches

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I will agree with you on the re buying being a needless hassle that we are being told to do by SE, but It still makes sense in a retrospect to charge for the PS4 and Steam versions separately as far as SE are concerned they are 3rd party systems, Steam runs on any and all computers and may be using the Mac port to make it multi platform as well, but this isn't a computer owned by the player this is a computer using steam. if SE wanted to ignore steam we would be using PlayOnline still as you have to use that to access FFXI.


with a monthly subscripton to say that they are getting money from everyone is ignoreing the fact of people paying in bulk, this also ignores server costs, costs of employee's the internet costs on there sides (housing a MMO costs a lot due tot he massive upload speed required), if you take out the factor of all costs they have to cover it may still equal a profit but not enough in the eyes of SE or there accountants to cover the costs of essentially making a 3rd game of the XIV series (which is what expansions are),

Now do not get me wrong i do agree with it being bad to charge PC players who play on MAC and having to buy for that is a harsh move,
but buying it on PS3 or PS4 Or steam is another, they could of done as someone above said, have it as a account wide buy, (which i wish they did) but that move is one done by SE's marketing, accountants and retail team, a decision they most likely chose due to the higher profits.

now look at wow, as well, if one computer has lets say warlords of Dr** (cannot say full title) you only have a limited amount of re-downloads this means that after that meny downloads you may be forced into buying a new code for the game, or having to explain why you installed it on so meny computers. SE did not do this as you pointed out, what blizz get away with is far more expensive then what SE has chosen to do with its free download on any computer. plus, once you have heavenward on PC you can do the same, just not on a PS4 (which you have to buy from sony) ps3 (ditto) and steam (Valve) as for the mac, i do not understand there choise there.

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Originally Posted by peaches

Honestly I call BS on needing to sell the expansion to make their money back - one month's subscription from everybody is a LOT of money. Yea it definitely helps profits, but subs alone are a massive money maker.

There's absolutely no reason to charge every system for the expansion. You can play any other MMO on any computer, even if that computer didn't buy the game - because the game is a free download, and the cost is giving the code to the account, and not the computer.

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You can play XIV on any computer with the game downloaded, provided it has the same content downloaded.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You can play XIV on any computer with the game downloaded, provided it has the same content downloaded.

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If you have Heavensward, and you use a friend's computer who doesn't own Heavensward, what happens? If you can access all the content like normal, that's cool. And it should be like that on the PS4 as well, but it won't be. With other MMOs I've played either the game itself is a free download, but you can only log on with an active account with a game licence. You could torrent the game for all it matters, as long as you have an active account. I'd prefer if XIV was the same way, cross system.

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Originally Posted by peaches

If you have Heavensward, and you use a friend's computer who doesn't own Heavensward, what happens? If you can access all the content like normal, that's cool. And it should be like that on the PS4 as well, but it won't be. With other MMOs I've played either the game itself is a free download, but you can only log on with an active account with a game licence. You could torrent the game for all it matters, as long as you have an active account. I'd prefer if XIV was the same way, cross system.

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if he hasn't got heavenward installed you won't be able to play your character or go into the area's if he dose have heavensward (because you downloaded and installed it) it should just block him from going into those area's because he dosnt have heavenward