Black Mages, point the way to darkness! (relic question )

Spell speed/det is the best way to go.

I love the "crit is best cause more fire 3 and flare crits" yeah true, and it also leads to more aggro problems, if you're not careful, which means you can't possibly go all out on adds or similar, crit 3x Fire and Fire proc after them in row and have fun possibly being dead. And what use do you have of crit if you can't crit all the time, which means you just wasted a 2nd stat point on a stat you didn't possibly get any reward from.

Get higher spellspeed to go through your Fire rotation faster and get more determination to get overall increase on all your spells and have possibly no issues with aggro(crits have still a chance to occur)

Also. If you have somehow managed not to hear about the Puro stride's blm dmg calculator, go check that out, and for comparison on det+spsp vs crit and other stats, check the "e-peen" section.
It could be though that all the good blms with crit builds just aren't interested in posting their parses there and they'd be superior, or det+spsp build is the superior one as suggested by the calculator and "e-peen" section.

But yeah, based on these informations, I personally would pick det+spsp over anything else as stats to go to, including relic's stats. But that's just my opinion

Why put Crit/Spell Speed when you can farm for the Dreadwyrm Staff on the 31st, which has near-identical stats lol.

Full Det and Spell Speed is best.

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

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What if I told you, I out DPS'd a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM's are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. And about the agrio thing. With great power comes great responsibility. The BLM should be smart about how her or she uses their flares. If the tank is competent, they will not lose agro.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Why put Crit/Spell Speed when you can farm for the Dreadwyrm Staff on the 31st, which has near-identical stats lol.

Full Det and Spell Speed is best.

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Exactly what I'm thinking about ;)
For now I'm going YOLO for SS/det. (still waiting for that damn Dreadwyrm Staff to drop xD)

Just go with:

Weapon DMG > INT > DET > Speed/Crit

Crit will even its usefullness out the more you get of it, spell speed is only useful to a certain degree as well - Example: Abandoning 30 crit which gives you around 1%+ of crit rate is not worth casting 0.01 seconds faster, if you're too fast you'll loose time in ice transition if you have to wait for ticks etc.
Det will increase your crit and speed values, b/c you get more base dmg which is increased by crits and speed - same for WD and INT - all stats below benefit from the higher ones.

Just one thing you should look out for, there is generally only two ways to make a good Novus build, or you'll loose out bonus points in the Lower stages:

44 Main stats - 31 offstats aka. 44 speed/crit 31 det - this will give you + 9 points offstat on zodiac (49/35)

or the cheap version which i went with:

36 crit 24 det 15 speed (or switch the speed and crit, whatever your gearset is lacking more) - this will give you +8 stats offstat on zodiac (40/27/16)

In the end, if you dont care about the money go fullstats - if you dont want to dump millions into your weapon like me, go with the second one so you dont loose out later

Anyways - gl with the future stages and the light grind

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

What if I told you, I out DPS'd a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM's are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. And about the agrio thing. With great power comes great responsibility. The BLM should be smart about how her or she uses their flares. If the tank is competent, they will not lose agro.

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BLMs can't be compared to each other theoritically like that because of Firestarter and Thundercloud proc, even in dummy. In real fight, it becomes more and more complicated cos not everyone have to dodge or cover certain mechanics.
You should breakdown the parser values one by one -- assuming you both have same rotation and have to dodge same mechanics at the same time (which is almost never happen) -- you still have to count how many firestarter proc and thundercloud proc.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

What if I told you, I out DPS\\'d a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM\\'s are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. .

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Sorry but this sounds like you just made a duel of bad blms with poor rotations (hi thunder 3) which do not gain any benefit from SSp.

Plus nexus is in no way to be considered as end game gear now.

At i125 (130 mixed with 110 penta and zeta) and with no less than 643 SSP (food on) i really doubt any DET build would out dps me unless i decide to really suck .

This has been verified in a lot of fights anyways. As long as you use B3 T1 B with enough base SSP then going full SSp is the best. Dont spread biaised information based on "nexus" end game builds please.

if you re a B3 T1 B user with more then 550 SSP, each new SSP point will weight 0.282 int or something whereas DET caps at 0.265 and CRT at 0.238. Of course this is with the proper rotation, as you will never fully benefit from SSP with crappy T3 in your UI phase.

in terms of gameplay / feeling, once you re used to a 2.21 or lower GCD there is absolutely no way you would like to go back to a low SSP build .

I tried a 385 DET & 450 SSp thing once. In a classical T9 fight i did lost a lot of dps due to interrupted casts i could have been able to finish with a lower GCD (2.4 Vs 2.2 does make a HUGE difference and even more if Selene is on your side)

For the OP :

go with any build that enables you to reach a 2.25GCD at least , with 15%ish CRT and the T11 ACC cap w/o any ACC food. Then reach 300 DET for the base damage and 6000 hp.
Master the B3 T1 B rotation as well as tricks such as fire weaving , skating, scathe while dodging and pre casting at 90% etc. You should be golden

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

What if I told you, I out DPS'd a BLM who had a nexus that only had det and SS. We were doing the exact same rotation and near exact same gear. If DET ad SS is so superior, he shouldve been able to wipe the floor with me. But he didnt. Having a massive abundance of SS on a weapon is a waste in my eyes seeing how BLM's are always equipping themselves with gear that has SS. And about the agrio thing. With great power comes great responsibility. The BLM should be smart about how her or she uses their flares. If the tank is competent, they will not lose agro.

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I'm sorry but your comment is full of it. How many Firestarter and Thundercloud did you both have? How long was the encounter? What instance are you speaking of?