My Philosophy on Needing for Lower iLevel Gear

The rules are already set up in the game. If the need button lights up you can need it. Doesn't matter if you want it for desynth or seals its yours if you hit need and win the roll.

In DF you almost always see people need anything they can need so I do the same thing.

I guess it just goes to show how unfriendly the community is in FFXI compared to other games. In my books, 'NEED' should be a direct upgrade to existing gear. Glamors and desynthesis come under 'Greed'. If you're rolling NEED and you know full well there's a party member who will benefit more from that gear than you will, then you're a horrible person.

In most cases, people tend to be around the same high ilvl so it's not often that you find people 'needing' dungeon drops. For that reason, I never roll 'need' on anything except for materials (and only because EVERYONE can and does) unless it's going to improve my existing equipment.

Honestly, if you're getting nothing out of it why rob someone else of a potential upgrade? It's just being greedy for the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by Teslo

I think that people pervert the meaning of the word "Need" to suit their purposes and to make themselves feel like less of a douchebag when they Need on stuff. The simple fact is that if it's not an immediate upgrade to your current piece of gear, you should be hitting Greed.

"But I need to gain XXXX Grand Company Seals to buy the item for the next step in the Zodiac quest!" - Well, that's fine. There are plenty of ways to get GCS's. You don't NEED a dungeon drop to essentially VENDOR to the Quartermaster to gain the seals needed to get that item.

If you're having a hard time telling the difference between "Need" and "Want", you should probably go attend some more Kindegarten classes. Those kids'll straighten you out right quick.

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You can also buy an HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and meld materias in it if you need an upgrade. You can try again.

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

You can also buy an HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and meld materias in it if you need an upgrade. You can try again.

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You can also buy a HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and turn it in for GC seals. Or desynthesis. I'm not sure what your point was, but Teslo's argument still stands. One of these methods involves a lot of unnecessary costs, and risks since materia melding isn't always guaranteed. One is simply a drop in a dungeon.

It comes down to who's inconvenienced most, and the upgrader is the clear winner in this example.

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Originally Posted by Teslo

I think that people pervert the meaning of the word "Need" to suit their purposes and to make themselves feel like less of a douchebag when they Need on stuff. The simple fact is that if it's not an immediate upgrade to your current piece of gear, you should be hitting Greed.

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People should stop trying to add their own subjective definition to what the "Need" option means. It is simply a system to give priority on loot to the classes the gear was designed for, that is all. Intended use, upgrade or not, or anything else has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I guess it just goes to show how unfriendly the community is in FFXI compared to other games. In my books, 'NEED' should be a direct upgrade to existing gear. Glamors and desynthesis come under 'Greed'. If you're rolling NEED and you know full well there's a party member who will benefit more from that gear than you will, then you're a horrible person.

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I think you are only seeing it from your PoW
Me for instance, I dont care much about ilvl, but I do care about vanity. It is my way of playing the game. Collect vanity.
So just cause my playstyle isn't like yours, I shouldn't be allowed to need on something that benefits my playstyle?
You see, this game has much more than gear progression

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

You can also buy a HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and turn it in for GC seals..

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Don't work with gear for glamour

I usually run dunjon as tank or healer, i've went out of my way and go as Bard in the hope to get this Shikaree (?) body (ilvl 70 bard) i'm still to see it once ! done this countless time (50+ run of any i70 dunjon).
If I happen to finally see it, i'm not gonna "greed" it, I'm gonna Need it and finally stop this grind once and for all >__< !!!
Why my "need" here should be "less important" than the one that only "need" it to gear up a few day (hours ?) before he can upgrade to ilvl 100 Soldiary ?
Hell i'm running this dunjon with the guy, i'm powerleveling him because he has lower gear, I need it as much (if not more !!) than he does !

I usually just greed lower gear, but there's this Glamour you want and never see it drop... When you see it at last and can need it, you just need it and noone should be entitle to tell you otherwise.

I'll say the same thing I say every time this topic comes up. A player running old content that wants the gear the content drops because it's an upgrade generally will get less use out of it that wants it solely for glamour, thanks to the ease at which higher level gear is obtained, and will only get slightly more use out of it than someone who wants it for seals(since they will turn it into seals as well pretty quickly).

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Originally Posted by Aura_Shurifon

I usually run dunjon as tank or healer, i've went out of my way and go as Bard in the hope to get this Shikaree (?) body (ilvl 70 bard) i'm still to see it once ! done this countless time (50+ run of any i70 dunjon).
If I happen to finally see it, i'm not gonna "greed" it, I'm gonna Need it and finally stop this grind once and for all >__< !!!
Why my "need" here should be "less important" than the one that only "need" it to gear up a few day (hours ?) before he can upgrade to ilvl 100 Soldiary ?
Hell i'm running this dunjon with the guy, i'm powerleveling him because he has lower gear, I need it as much (if not more !!) than he does !.

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Man I feel ya on the Shikaree Vest.
I mean, I main bard and I have never seen it drop ONCE. EVER.
As soon as it appears I'm 'need'ing the hell out of it. (Of course knowing my luck I'll happen to be healing that day and the two other dps in the party will be bards. Ha.)