You know your gear is optimized horribly when..

reforge pointless anyway because new raids would just be balanced based on the assumption people reforged.
It's only the illusion of increased effectiveness.

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Originally Posted by Staris

reforge pointless anyway because new raids would just be balanced based on the assumption people reforged.
It's only the illusion of increased effectiveness.

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While this is true, I wouldn't say it was completely pointless as it let you turn a bad piece of gear into a somewhat decent piece.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

You have over 570 accuracy as a monk

Am I the only one? :/

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I have 560 accuracy as a NIN thanks to never seeing a single NIN drop in T11. Not a big deal really, just means I don't have to rely on food to meet accuracy cap.

Am I the only on who noticed the op is only using poetics gear?

You're not supposed to use just one set for optimization, you mix and match both sets of 130 gear. No optimization for anyone unless they've done at least some FCoB (job dependant for how far you need to go in FCoB fit your best gear)

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Originally Posted by Slappah

Yeah but that's 35 wasted stat :(

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Again, don't worry too much. Secondary Stats are nearly meaningless in this game. They only even think about surpassing Main Stats if you put absurd amounts of them on meldable gear. Those 35 points of secondaries amount to a mere 7-8 Strength.

Note: To preempt the "but 35 Determination is 12 Strength!" argument, it's necessary to note that you can't compare 35 Accuracy to 35 Determination. Determination is weighted higher than accuracy on gear, so you're actually comparing 35 Accuracy to 24-25 Determination.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

I think I have less than 400 crit on SCH.

That said, I main WHM and just put whatever gear I had on my WHM on SCH.

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How is that even possible?
Does none of your gear have crit on it at all? I think the base crit is 340 something lol.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Secondary Stats are nearly meaningless in this game.

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It really bothers me when people say this.
Crit is a very important stat because there are classes that just outright suck without it, and determination is 0.325 of a main stat which adds up a LOT.
The only stat that is meaningless is skill speed.

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Originally Posted by Staris

reforge pointless anyway because new raids would just be balanced based on the assumption people reforged.
It's only the illusion of increased effectiveness.

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What does that really mean though?
At worst they'd put a little more health on bosses. I'd rather be able to reforge all spell speed off summoner lol.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

The only stat that is meaningless is skill speed.

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Not upto a point for MNK and WAR. For MNK it allows me to get full initial startup in under perfect balance. Also theres a threshold for WAR that allows an extra hit under berserk.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Not upto a point for MNK and WAR. For MNK it allows me to get full initial startup in under perfect balance. Also theres a threshold for WAR that allows an extra hit under berserk.

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ah yes, I forgot about that.
But still, it's not something you want a lot of, and can actually be detrimental to your DPS in coil if you have too much. It's quite silly haha.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

It really bothers me when people say this.
Crit is a very important stat because there are classes that just outright suck without it, and determination is 0.325 of a main stat which adds up a LOT.
The only stat that is meaningless is skill speed.

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It bothers you because it is true. I would assume that the jobs you're thinking of when you mention Crit are Bard and Scholar.

Regarding Scholar:

Healers are terrible examples for this argument because the secondaries are actually meaningless for them. Although, a better word might be unnecessary. A healer can heal a fight just fine if they:

- Do not crit a single time
- Take 2.00 seconds to cast every healing spell
- Heal for 50 less HP per cast than stacking Determination provides

Regarding Bard:

Critical Hits are definitely useful to them. This is why they have Straight Shot and Internal Release. They crit enough even if you don't stack the stat.

Regarding Determination:

Determination is weighted higher on gear distribution than Crit or Skill Speed is. On average, you'll find approximately 30% less Determination on piece of gear than an equivalent amount of Crit or Speed. When comparing the stats, you should compare 44 of a stat to 31 Determination, or 31 of a stat to 22 Determination. If you do this, you'll find that Determination is almost equal to Crit in many cases. It's often the best stat to stack anyway, but it's not nearly as good as people think it is.

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ah yes, I forgot about that.
But still, it's not something you want a lot of, and can actually be detrimental to your DPS in coil if you have too much. It's quite silly haha.

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Well supposably they are relooking at SKS SPS for 3.0 to make them as viable as other secondaries. Also, I can see secondaries weight changing due to higher caps with gear @ level 60. Especially if there is ultimatelly some form of soft/hard cap.