Wolves Den. Miss it? Come Play!

You really gotta stop, it's such bad manners to come in and try to hijack a thread like this. You make it sound like you're the only one who realizes den is in need of a complete overhaul. We actually all realize it but that isn't the scope of this thread. It's the point of all the other threads other people made though, including one you made very recently. I've probably made the most pointed and damning posts about SE and their approach to den, but you don't see me preaching. That doesn't belong here. Your wanting to get on your soap box doesn't belong here either and you're not helping the cause.

Again we're trying to build something here. Just because your history of attempts didn't lead anywhere doesn't mean it mirrors our experiences. We know what we're talking about and we know what we're doing.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Thats what 30s and 40s are for. Praticing with less skills and learning the mechanics of wolves den. All the restrictions, rank matching, specific jobs (tank/heal/rankged/melee) and separating everyone (matched, light party, i80 matched, i80 light party), i'm telling you, this is what is killing the den. It would be better if it were uneven and working than so fragmented and restricted that ques don't ever pop because no one has time to wait around 30 mins for a 2 min fight.

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False. The concept remains the same -- Non-regulars would consistently lose vs regulars therefore those who lose consistently would eventually ragequit. 30s and 40s cap doesn't change anything. Our group in particular has played over 2000 games in 30/40 alone and we know many others that have as well. 30/40s is not a viable solution and what with all the endgame and new PVP gear, there's no way 30/40s will stand a chance in existing again. Apart from the whining about "oh, but I don't get to use my PVP gear," which was prevalent right from the release of new gear, and the "well now I don't have all of my abilities, you would be dead otherwise," the concept of getting rekt remains the same.

We're not having an argument for what's killing Wolves' Den because it's a mentality thing and one that's not too hard to comprehend: When someone waits in a queue longer than 10 minutes to get dominated in a 1 minute match, over and over again, he or she will ragequit and in turn, be more reluctant to give future matches a chance, seeing at least -something- as unfair or unbalanced.

We have held premade vs premade events for the more experienced groups that are at an equal, or close to equal level. These events were great, however many of our key players have left the game so we are essentially trying to restart what we did in the past and presently, we have been doing events where all eight participants solo queue to randomize teams. We have several newcomers that are serious about learning and in those circumstances, we split up our teams in terms of player experience.

Let me clarify that we're not trying to bring back Wolves' Den for all of the FFXIV community, because we already know that attempts to sway people would be unfruitful. We're holding these events rather, for the people who are interested in playing at a more casual level where setting up things and planning ahead of time to attend these events require commitment, and not everyone is willing to "go the extra mile" to make something work. It's understandable, some people want to play Wolves' Den casually, but our events are for the ones who are at least a little more enthusiastic in seeing through the efforts of reviving Wolves' Den in a small community.

We're doing another Wolves Den Stream/record this Friday again too! Come join the fun!!!

How do you join so that you can PvP? I dont really care too much about watching. No one is explaining how to participate.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

How do you join so that you can PvP?

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We have recently organized our events through Skype, but adding complete strangers to Skype may be a bit too personal for some people. In the past, we've used IRC. Although I'm not a fan of IRC, it may be a better chat client to use for now until our website is finished. The link is here: http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=ff14pvp

Feel free to log into this IRC with your username as "name_server" (i.e. Tea_Ultros). I will be idle for most of the time, but I will periodically check the chat to give further details to people who are interested. I also believe that IRC automatically logs you off after some time of inactivity, but I know that there is a way around that. I would have to look into it.

Finally, I would like to clarify that we are not currently trying to revive Wolves' Den "solo queues", as that would be nearly impossible to do on our own. We are merely looking to host our own events much like a free company or linkshell would. I apologize for any misunderstanding.