It's unfortunate that they have a quest for the event, and that quest requires you to use duty finder. A duty finder that doesn't allow you to substitute a useless 2nd tank for another healer. As it is the fight is pretty unplayable for healers in Item lvl 110 gear, you just cant keep up with the damage that is being tossed...or you can but you then run out of mana. Having a 3rd healer would make this fight more playable. I'm hoping the fight gets nerfed in the future, otherwise it will be one of the few things I just don't do in the game.
Urth's Fount aka Odin
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01-24-2015, 03:08 PMTwinbros
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01-24-2015, 04:00 PMechoica
One shot duty finder on day 1. I guess I got lucky lol. Honestly it's not that hard just a lot of dodging aoe healing and dps.
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01-24-2015, 05:24 PMLunaHoshinoAnd it will happen, too. I was in a single-tank Odin run the other day... tank died, so guess who got to tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
At least I learned that I have enough HP to survive a Sanngetall to the face. -
01-24-2015, 05:33 PMDeculture
The mechanics of the fight are extremely simple - it's just that this fight is one big DPS check. If your DPS is high, then you will have a good time. If it isn't (which tends to be the case in DF due to the quality of players), then you are going to have a bad time (healers will run out of MP aoe healing + wipe to Zantetsuken if you somehow get there with low DPS).
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01-24-2015, 05:53 PMEZ5902Because SE doesn't expect EVERYONE to speedrun EVERYTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majires
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01-24-2015, 06:36 PMShaneDawnIt's not even about Speedrunning. It's about the fact that the fight is actually easier with one decent tank than having 1 tank + spare with low dps. There's not even adds for OT to pull, in fact, there's not even an OT, just a spare tire in the case that MT dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by EZ5902
The difficulty(?) of Odin lies in it's dps checks, aside that it's just aoe dodging and nothing else. And generally a competent tank should be able to avoid a few aoes and pop a cooldown during the hard-hitting skills. Having two tanks actually make the dps check rigorous for df parties.
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01-24-2015, 06:58 PMDarkstrideYeah first try, no wipes. He didn't seem that difficult in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FranSeara
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01-24-2015, 07:03 PMNova_DresdenBecause the intended mechanic is to swap tanks during Sanngetall and top off the first tank while the second tank is holding threat instead of spamming heals for a single tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majires
Day 1 everyone is trying to clear it so the quality of the people using duty finder is higher than typical. After that you get what you can get which isn't always up to snuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by echoica
I've tried healing multiple times and I can keep a tank alive and aoe some Succor and whatnot no problem. The issues come when the DPS isn't high enough to down the Gungnir spears fast enough and the bleed is still rolling on too long or they just are incapable of dodging the obscene number of AoE abilities that start going off at the same time. The unavoidable damage is easy to heal through. People eating 2 or more of the avoidable ones is just not acceptable, especially if it's the tank. I swear if you can't avoid the one aoe around him I'm spending way more MP than I should to keep you on your feet. Then there are the times where before a Sanngetall and during the cast I swiftcast stoneskin on the tank and get an Adloquium up and still watch that move drop the main tank from full health. The fight just seems weird at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twinbros
The required item level is 95 to enter that fight, and I'm just not seeing how a full group in ilvl 95 is going to pull that off in random duty finder. Even telling your party that you have ~6 minutes to deal max damage before he enrages and you can't marathon the fight doesn't spur anything or get more out of a player that either isn't geared to do the necessary damage or just can't deal the necessary damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deculture
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01-24-2015, 07:09 PMLunaHoshinoJust cleared it with a DF group, five of whom had never cleared before and one of whom was brand new. It was a very close call, but we managed it even with one DPS (the BLM) dead for a good chunk of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FranSeara
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01-24-2015, 10:46 PMLuceliaUltima
Tried it on Df in the first days of release and wiped, then cleared with second Df party.
Back with 7/8 of my team, cleared on the first try with my mates never entered it a single time.
So it's like people used to basic raid mechanic like tank buster mitigation, heals timing manapool managing, and high dps check are better on this fight, cuz it s natural for them.
Now why a 2-tanks design, i think because if one of them not used to timing mitigation or a bit "undergeared" will keep dying so u still got a chance the other is more comfortable with this kind of mechanics or geared well to clear the duty.
Having the War as Mt, Pally as Ot is golden on this fight imo.