Question to Devs about 3.0 new jobs relic weapons

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Originally Posted by Intaki

The most likely outcome is that Relic weapons simply cease to progress once we enter Heavensward, with a new set of weapons being made to take their place and start all over.

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Originally Posted by Katsaria

I actually hope the current weapons end at 2.51. There's only so many times a single weapon can be reforged and it's getting overly silly at this point.

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Such nonsense to read this seriously, how could they just toss their own creations into the garbage pile after so many months of works for them and for us?
Getting rid of the only long side-quest and on a side note the very first old school FF-ish quest in FFXIV just because people are used to see their tomestones gears getting salvaged in glamours or desynthesis since months... Guys it's not the same ^^.

For gods sake, please try to understand how dangerous for duty finder balance it would be if the whole relic/zodiak quest line was put down and benched as simple glamour weapons! Do you think that Yoshi-P and the DEVs are that stupid?
If you remove the usefulness of Relic and Zodiak's weapons then what is the point to run old dungeons? lol-roulette? Nah. There is none.

At worse, our weapons will be designed to be used as "achievement Keys" to unlock a new type of quests. And so to keep old dungeons alive in the same process while providing a new "never-ending" wheel of RNG farms.
At best they will become "true" legendary weapon by upgrading them into something as the relics you could have in FFXI.

Just my 2 cents... I'm getting used to be loled at for simply pointing the obvious and logical reasoning xD

My opinion is...they shouldn't continue with the relic quest because the newcomers will completely feel overwhelmed by the amount of content they need to get through if they start their relics from the beginning (and this will only get worse as more time passes).
This however...doesn't mean they should just throw all the content from the relic away...they should give a nice bonus to those who've done the relic from the beginning.
Of the top of my head...the ones that got through the horrendous relic grind could have an option to switch the relic secondary stats whenever they please (without use of alexandrites), on the other hand, the ones that start the heavensward relic will have fixed secondary stats. I'd personally be happy with this. Just a suggestion.

Well back before the end of 1.0 it was said in a letter from the producer that the relic quest line will continue even as the level cap increases so that your relic weapon will always be one of your strongest weapons.

I'm being EXCEPTIONALLY selfish here.

I want them to keep the quest even for new jobs.
This is because, I have all the mists, the alexandrites, the materia, the atmas, the oils, inks and the 4 new items that zodiac required (And a MNK zodiac too <3) all ready and waiting for Astrologian.

Fair enough I can just toss everything on WHM but I'd prefer not to.
Why else would they make soul glazing even easier to achieve in the upcoming patch if they weren't going to preserve these stages of the relic?

Back at E3 last year YoshiP mentioned there would be a special perk for obtaining the final stage of the zodiac weapon. I can't remember his exact words but he implied it would grant special 'effects' to skills which I interpreted as new skill animations. If that is the case then people that have completed it will have those special animations for bragging rights whilst starting a new weapon over in the expansion.

As many others have pointed out, it is incredibly unlikely the current relic will continue to progress into the expansion. Imagine a new player joins the game in Heavensward. They reach level 60 and want to start working on their relic. But wait, what's this, they have to spend months grinding level 50 content in old empty zones and queue for dungeons that no one wants to do any more... If a new player were required to do old content simply to get their relic to the point that they could progress it through the expansion they would be incredibly put off...

Special animations/Vanity will NOT make the cut for me. If this is true then the new content better be good to make up for this huge disappointment or I'm out.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

hey reach level 60 and want to start working on their relic. But wait, what's this, they have to spend months grinding level 50 content in old empty zones and queue for dungeons that no one wants to do any more...

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Well if it continued to be required then they wouldn't be entirely empty. People would continue doing old content because there is a reason to do it. If you could simply drop your relic quest because 3.0 has a better option from the get go, all the new players will no longer have old players seeing them through quicker queues of older content.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

But wait, what's this, they have to spend months grinding level 50 content in old empty zones and queue for dungeons that no one wants to do any more...

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I don't recall killing level 3 efts in level 5 fates in central thanalan for the next 24 hours to attain one atma to upgrade your legendary relic weapon from Zenith to Atma very different from what you are presenting.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Well if it continued to be required then they wouldn't be entirely empty. People would continue doing old content because there is a reason to do it. If you could simply drop your relic quest because 3.0 has a better option from the get go, all the new players will no longer have old players seeing them through quicker queues of older content.

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Yeah they will because people will be leveling their jobs to 60 for a good while yet. I can tell you I'm sure as hell not paying 4 million+ gil to get relics for all my jobs. I certainly don't mind a short cut for those who completed the whole thing, but making everyone start from scratch seems like a huge mistake on SE's part.

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

Such nonsense to read this seriously, how could they just toss their own creations into the garbage pile after so many months of works for them and for us?
Getting rid of the only long side-quest and on a side note the very first old school FF-ish quest in FFXIV just because people are used to see their tomestones gears getting salvaged in glamours or desynthesis since months... Guys it's not the same ^^.

For gods sake, please try to understand how dangerous for duty finder balance it would be if the whole relic/zodiak quest line was put down and benched as simple glamour weapons! Do you think that Yoshi-P and the DEVs are that stupid?
If you remove the usefulness of Relic and Zodiak's weapons then what is the point to run old dungeons? lol-roulette? Nah. There is none.

At worse, our weapons will be designed to be used as "achievement Keys" to unlock a new type of quests. And so to keep old dungeons alive in the same process while providing a new "never-ending" wheel of RNG farms.
At best they will become "true" legendary weapon by upgrading them into something as the relics you could have in FFXI.

Just my 2 cents... I'm getting used to be loled at for simply pointing the obvious and logical reasoning xD

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continuing the relic quest or keeping it relevant post heavensward release is a very bad move for any new joining players. Keeping some legendary weapons for too long at the top or near top, kills most incentiv for newer players to join. This has happened in FFXI where they kept 3 legendary weapon lines on the top and relevant faaar to long. It was you either had Relic/Empyrean/Mythic weapon or bust of, gladly i wasnt affected by it because i had like 7 of them, it really kills any point for newer players to even join the game and in the end hurts the game overall.
I'd rather see them hand out some special mount for those weapons as reward or glamour, then keeping them relevant for a far too long period of time.