This is getting frustrating ...

So you want carbuncles to the SMN and when SE dosnt give you that they are bad people?

Did you just wake up and realised your not the ruler of the world?

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

So you want carbuncles to the SMN and when SE dosnt give you that they are bad people?

Did you just wake up and realised your not the ruler of the world?

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When did I say SE were "bad people"? Strawman much?

I'm saying they should practice what they preached.

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Originally Posted by ChazNatlo

I don't recall where in that post I said shut up or leave. I have no problem with you asking for Carbuncle back. I'd love Carbuncle back as well. When I reply to you in your own threads I try to be polite and curteous, despite disagreeing with you on some of your ideas, and I ask you leading questions hoping to aid you in refining them.

I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinion. I have a problem with how and when you express your opinion. By the time I read your post in that thread, It was not the first time I'd seen you villify SE for not giving you Carbuncle. I probably shouldn't have called you out in that thread. It was a little tactless of me, but I was tired of seeing it.

You accused me of freating you like my enemy. I don't see you as an enemy. I see you as a stubborn school child who keeps asking for candy in increasingly tasteless ways when Momma SE and Poppa Yoshi are trying to set the table for supper.

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I don't recall accusing you of saying "shut up or leave" either. So ... /shrug

I think you need to learn to discern between "villify SE" and criticism. One is not the other. Pointing out SE's failure to practice what they preach is not "villify SE"

Treat you like the enemy? You are the one coming into my thread and throw all sort of accusations at me!

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

I can see that. But your main post is insinuating that because they don't give you this one thing,that SE are hypocrites who only "talk the talk" and not "walk the walk".

Imagine a local shop advertises that they do their best to listen to customer requests and so ten customers ask them to start selling ten different items. The shop decides to sell nine of them. Are they hypocrites or liars for not selling that tenth item?

Even the most accommodating of businesses can't fullfill every request. It doesn't mean that what you're asking for wouldn't be cool and it doesn't mean that the business is a villain either.

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I'm an understanding man. I can accept that a change I asked for is beyond the means of SE. But this change isn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

It's funny that you accuse SE of being all talk but you still only talk about quitting.

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29 days left on sub.

You do realise that we have forum access until our sub expires right?

And I have quit before ... If sporadic subs are what SE wants, they are on the right track.

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Originally Posted by Dashuto

Protip to avoid the worst of the forum: Anyone who quotes several times within a single post is used to arguing their daily post limit and is trying to "squeeze" what they can do in the day. Or those who feel the need to reply to each and every person disagreeing with them. When you see this behavior (and its not far away from this thread), you will know who to just ignore. Its a waste of your time, cut the line.

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LOL. Seriously what wrong with you?

Putting in the effort to respond to people is now a sin?

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

When did I say SE were "bad people"? Strawman much?

I'm saying they should follow what they preached.

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They have listened to a lot of requests and followed through on what they felt was needed or relevant. Quite frankly for people wanting to use Carbuncle, nothing is stopping you from unequipping your job stone provided you can deal with the complaints you will receive from other players for not using your job - pros and cons and all - up to you for what you want to deal with. So I don't see them making changes to something you technically already have.

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Originally Posted by stuscott

They have listened to a lot of requests and followed through on what they felt was needed or relevant. Quite frankly for people wanting to use Carbuncle, nothing is stopping you from unequipping your job stone provided you can deal with the complaints you will receive from other players for not using your job - pros and cons and all - up to you for what you want to deal with. So I don't see them making changes to something you technically already have.

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>.>

If someone puts a gun to your head and threatens to blow it off if you don't comply ... Do you really have a choice?

I suppose in theory you do. In practice ... I would not call disobey such a person, a reasonable course of action that one can "choose".

PS:

I have contemplated not doing any dungeons or raids at all and just live off crafted equipment ...

That said, I'm sure next expansion's leveling will force me to do dungeons to advance the storyline. :/

the only real problem with this is they would have to make a new carbuncle colour for ifrit and that takes time/resources. otherwise yeah sure whatever

But you still have carbuncle. Just take off job crystal.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

I'm an understanding man. I can accept that a change I asked for is beyond the means of SE. But this change isn't one of them.

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There are, quite literally, an infinite amount of things within SE's means to add to the game, but only a small portion of that infinity can actually be included. There are a lot of reasons for this; workload, design choices, time constraints. Sometimes, even things that the developers would really like to see included can't be or are delayed longer than they would like.

This is true of everything in life. Have you ever wanted to buy something, but thought "I shouldn't, my money would be better spent on something else"? It was in your means, but you thought of a better use for those means. A developer might think "Having a Carbuncle skin usable for Summoner Egi would be so cool, but we shouldn't right now because we've got way too much to do with the upcoming patch and expansion. We should keep our resources focused on that."

An understanding adult is familiar with this sort of thing and doesn't expect every wish of theirs to be practical all the time.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

I have made countless suggestions to make Classes "viable". Each and every time they were shot down because some people here don't want Classes to compete with their precious Jobs and want Classes to remain useless.

SE also doesn't seem fond of cross-class skills anymore given that the 3 new Jobs have no base classes. They are truly going the WoW route of "simple classes" with ultra limited customisation - so it will easy to balance for the hardcore 1% who will QQ over a miniscule difference in DPS.

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Classes are outdated. They have been since 1.21. They'd have to overhaul the system to make them have any kind of functionality and that would just take away from creating an expansive job systems. I don't see how you could possibly know their plans for 3.0. The reason they don't have base classes could be that they are getting rid of the class system and making cross job abilities.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

There are, quite literally, an infinite amount of things within SE's means to add to the game, but only a small portion of that infinity can actually be included. There are a lot of reasons for this; workload, design choices, time constraints. Sometimes, even things that the developers would really like to see included can't be or are delayed longer than they would like.

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I can understand if it takes up months or even weeks of development time but this change really is incredibly trivial to implement - as anyone who know anything about programming can tell you.

The art for the Carbuncles is already done. The code for summoning and controlling the Carbuncles is also done. Adjusting potency values can be done in a few keystrokes as can copying-pasting 2 skills to SMN's spellbook.

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Originally Posted by bideogames

the only real problem with this is they would have to make a new carbuncle colour for ifrit and that takes time/resources. otherwise yeah sure whatever

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Just skip that. No one uses Ifrit anyway. xD

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Classes are outdated. They have been since 1.21. They'd have to overhaul the system to make them have any kind of functionality and that would just take away from creating an expansive job systems. I don't see how you could possibly know their plans for 3.0. The reason they don't have base classes could be that they are getting rid of the class system and making cross job abilities.

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With regards to their plans for 3.0, it's really more of a personal observation than stating of facts.

Having played WoW for over 8 years, I know how their classes are designed and why. FFXIV just seems to be going down the same route - Yoshi-P is after all a fan of WoW, so he replicating their class design isn't surprising.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

LOL. I don't understand this way of thinking. It's not as if SE are gods or something.

If Obama says no to something and you disagree, do you just go along with it?

We are paying SE here!



It's very important to me.



I have made countless suggestions to make Classes "viable". Each and every time they were shot down because some people here don't want Classes to compete with their precious Jobs and want Classes to remain useless.

SE also doesn't seem fond of cross-class skills anymore given that the 3 new Jobs have no base classes. They are truly going the WoW route of "simple classes" with ultra limited customisation - so it will easy to balance for the hardcore 1% who will QQ over a miniscule difference in DPS.

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you are still exaggerating how important it is.