FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

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Originally Posted by Mattiux

This is the definition of pay to win.
With my retainers i earn my dyes, i have to try to get it with low rng and i have to pay my ventures with grand company seals earned changing item rolled in dungeons or with fate grinding.

In that way i can simply pay to get it. i.e: Pay to win.

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.....are you serious ? or trolling ? tell me that you are trolling

I ll leave it here:

P2W define

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Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

.....are you serious ? or trolling ? tell me that you are trolling

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lol of course i'm not.
If you don't want to understand this is a pointless discussion.

I can deal with some optional item in cash shop. Minion,mount etc. but you HAVE TO make it untradable.

If you want it just for fun and vanity why complain if they don't allow you to earn in game benefits ( like gil) ?

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I ll leave it here:

P2W define: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.

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actually with the gil earned in that way you can purchase I110 HQ crafted gear and pentameld it(for war,land and hand class). Open your mind.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

P2W define
Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.

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i110 pentameld, i125 relic (which would be locked behind a few million gil items for some people). Hello.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

i110 pentameld, i125 relic (which would be locked behind a few million gil items for some people). Hello.

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(1) By completing a dungeon, there is a small chance that you will obtain the associated item.
(2) The Main Quest goes under your Journal under Completed Side Story Quests
(3) It costs 400,000 gil to get the merchant-sold materials (Brass Kettle, Allagan Resin, Bronze Lake Crystal)
(4) It takes 6,400 tomestones of soldiery to gather all of the Sacred Spring Waters
(5) It takes 80,000 grand company seals to gather all of the Bombard Cores
(6) You *DO NOT** need to equip your relic weapon to get the drops from the dungeons! (4:04AM PST-12/9)*
(7) You can be on another job/class and still get the item drops from the dungeons.
(8) You cannot progress further ahead in a given subquest and get the dungeon drops (You cannot go into Hullbreaker Isle and get the blood without have completed the Copperbell Mines part prior).
(9) (See above FAQ as well) You cannot begin the grind for dungeon items if you have not started the quest. That means you cannot try and get the items with your highest relic upgrade being the animus.
(10) You CAN do this quest like most of the prior relic quest lines and stock up on the items for another Job's/Class's relic.

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million ? de-sync item ? where ? and FYI, if you don't do coil, there is no point to get those ilvl110 penta meld you mention and if you do coil, you don't eve need to RMT for that , sell coil don't give you enough money ?

in any case, I am out of this thread @.@

peace out

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

million ? de-sync item ? where ?

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*[1] A Ponze of Flesh (Sub Quest) *
Obtain a High Quality Furnace Ring (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)
Obtain a Bundle of Perfect Firewood (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)
*[1] Labor of Love (Sub Quest) *
Obtain a perfect mortar and pestle (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)
*[1] Method in His Malice (Sub Quest) *
Obtain a High Quality page of perfect Vellum (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)
Obtain a pinch of perfect pounce (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)
*[1] A Treasured Mother (Sub Quest) *
Obtain a High Quality tailor-made eel pie (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)
Obtain a piece of perfect cloth (Desynth aged goods from Silver Bazaar; Craft Item HQ)

As seen here: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...factsfaqhowto/
Your relic guide is utterly incomplete.
And argumenting with you is pointless, you post definition of P2W which is even argument against you and do not even see it.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

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FYI what you post and what I post is from the same link.

Anyway , out for real

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

FYI what you post and what I post is from the same link.

Anyway , out for real

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Then use the whole guide and not only the part, that is profitable for your argumentation. ,) (and before someone writes that I also used only part, I atleast posted link to whole guide).
You argument like 400K is not a big deal while there is a much more gil behind these quests.

So true.

Very disappointed in the Cash Shop P2W direction this game is going.

Hate it really...

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Originally Posted by Quesse

So true.

Very disappointed in the Cash Shop P2W direction this game is going.

Hate it really...

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I hope that they are just trying our limits. And I also hope that with a lot of negative feedback they will realise that they just reached the limit. :))

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

you seriously say the player RMT for 400k !? really !? since when 400k is game break & ruin game play and what so ever ?

edit: also about fresh 50 have hard time to get gear and need to RMT is another thing need to be correct from what you said, since when it is hard to get gear in this game ?

IF you think player sell dyes from moogle station is game break, be my guess because that is your own opinion so I will not say anything about that neither bother to discuss about that, I just want to correct the zodiac part & the fresh 50 have trouble with gear

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Perhaps... I'm not good explaining myself because this is not my native language? Or are you willingly omitting information yourself? I seriously can't understand those people who defend these kind of things... I mean, there are plenty of P2W games to you to go...

Ahem, to the point... And... WHAT ABOUT... The 3 star craft stuff you have to buy for the relic? It SURELY saves you weeeks of work leveling a crafter, or making gil to pay for those... ISN'T THAT P2W?!

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Originally Posted by Mattiux

So true. At least make it untradable...



With the gil earned by the optional item you can buy a full craft i110 HQ gear, pentameld it without any pain and a new player can buy materias for the scroll step of the relic all in one day.

This actually break the game imho.

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Thanks god, not everyone is blind, I was about to think that perhaps I was crazy and imagining things...