DPS wonders: Raiton VS Shuriken

potency difference post 2.45 for fuma vs raiton should be 48 with slash debuff

might be better if your mudras are lagging i guess

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Originally Posted by SenBosa

Definitely go for Raiton, believe it or not it's not a bad thing that it sometimes goes over the GCD allotted time. If you ever tested out Shadow Fang on a striking dummy, you will notice that the very last tic happens at the very last moment of Shadow Fang being active, or rather at the 0 second. This means that re-applying Shadow Fang when it still has 1 second left is actually gimping it for 40 potency, but skipping Shadow Fang and doing Aoelian Edge or Dancing Edge and then coming back to it isn't as efficient or ideal. With Huton being 70s and Ninjutsu being 20s cd, you have 10 seconds of leighway before recasting Ninjutsu twice. I am able to always manage to time this so that when I get to a point where I would recast Shadow Fang with 1s left in the duration, I use Raiton there instead, so I still get significant burst damage from Raiton and I don't lose that extra 40 potency tic from the very end of Shadow Fang since casting Raiton will cause you to use Shadow Fang about 1s later. Also, using Kassatsu -> GCD skill -> Raiton during Trick Attack makes for a godlike 1.5k+ crit. Raiton wins hands down imo.

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Well, I know Raiton does a big number, and definitely wouldnt use Kassatsu for Shuriken instead of Raiton, the problem here is that if on the long run that little GCD time that Raiton steals every now and then does indeed gimpers DPS or not.

Im still curious of wether Shuriken has more to it than what meets the eye...

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Originally Posted by Barboron

Why would you attack a target from so far away? Unless it was just for the sake of pulling it and getting that initial hit in, either way I would go Raiton. There are situations where I prefer shuriken...that's in PvP. Hitting people at large distances while they are mounted so I can heavy them, catch them, kill them.

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well, you kinda answered your own question there :/

In the worst-case scenario, you can probably roughly think of a .1 second of Raiton lag costing you .05% of a GCD meaning you're doing .05% less damage over time with your next attack. So you'd need to lose .3 of a second in the worst case scenario (delaying an unclipped Shadow Fang) to make using Fuma worth it. I can't imagine anyone losing more than .5 of a second so it'd be a pretty niche case.

Yea, I suppose that only during laggy times Fuma will win out, huh?

Well, I was just curious so I went to test this out and...

Shuriken is definitely considered physical and therefore still affected by Venoms, in other words its actual potency is 240 + 20% bonus damage, while Raiton is plain and simple 360 potency without venom bonus.
A normal Shuriken is about as strong as 5/6 normal Raiton and still much faster.

So I will stick to Shuriken if in Melee while no Kassatsu, Raiton if Ranged, specially given my latency problems.