Suggestions concerning the raid loot distribution system

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Originally Posted by Jaeifer

Since most of the enhancement items usually go to DPS to meet the DPS check requirements of new turns this could serve as a system to help Healers and Tanks also get a little something every once in a while to sense progression as well.

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You're turning it from 1-2 loot enhancement items going to the DPS and 2 items potentially going to anyone to 3-4 items going to DPS. The only time tanks and healers would "sense progression" would be when all the DPS have all the drops they want from a turn or in the extreme outlying case of all items voted over being healer and tank items. Hardly "a little something every once in a while" for half the group.

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Originally Posted by Grayve

Well, at fan fest they did say that a token type system would be coming for heavens ward raids. Details to be determined... Please look forward to it!

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This is really the only system that makes sense going forward. Does it reward PF/DF abusers by allowing them to need on tokens for gear they already have (and use for secondary jobs/classes)? Yes, but I'd rather deal with that than having almost half of your drops in progression content go to waste.

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Originally Posted by Sanzei

Stop being a bunch of loothungry scrubs.

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Gotta love the vitriol.

@OP: I may be a coil behind, but I can understand your idea, and where the desire comes from. I like the re-loot idea you laid out as well. Nice presentation, I'd support this.

How about making Reloot-Tokens purchaseable in the Cash Shop :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Sanzei

Stop being a bunch of loothungry scrubs.

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So far you have nothing worthwhile to say. The point of coil is to get loot. As someone who "mains" Alchemist, you probably don't understand. Especially considering that you probably ignored coil until it was farm able.

@Jaeifer however, I like the reloot idea. However, I also think it should be unanimous. And yes, only available once on that chest for the night. So every clear, each chest can be relooted once. While i was doing 2nd coil, i got all my caster gear rather quickly, but our Bard got shoes, gloves, belt, and nothing else. Reloot would have helped a lot.

I think its a decent idea compared to the RNG crap we currently have. One of my buddies statics had healer gear drop every time they cleared... couple this with the lockout.. and you being to fall behind rather quickly when you are getting a saturation of loot that goes to waste. Considering they already implemented a stupid lockout system I think it only fair to provide a way to get gear that only coincides with the classes in the party. So if you dont have a DRG or MNK.. then no DRG or MNK gear will drop.

Thank you, OP. I actually came to the forum today to complain about the loot system.

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Originally Posted by Sanzei

I believe the current loot system is fine. Please do not change anything.

People who want it to be easier should just man up and not expect everything get served on a silver platter.

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I would really like the dev team to read the above post, see how much everyone hates what's said in the above post, and then realize that their current philosophy pretty much mirrors the above post (which is hated).

Current raid loot is distributed with the wrong-headed idea that the most enjoyable part, the most "challenging" part, is RANDOMLY getting the correct item. I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing for Japan, or what, but for me, and for I'm sure most people, constantly attempting to win the lottery in a video game is not the "fun" part. The fun part is clearing the content.

To be clear, RANDOMLY WINNING A DROP IS NOT "HARD". It should not be considered part of the "challenged". No one is asking to be "spoon fed". If you can win a raid 20 times in a row, what more do you have to prove? You can do it. You did it. Now give the person the drop already. At least something. How are you supposed to think you're supposed to farm earlier turns to gear up for later turns when you never get anything you want from any of the turns? Current system is busted.

To mirror what another poster said in this thread, I had the following experience with loot in Second Coil of Bahamut:

I was extremely unlucky with caster drops when doing Coil before the lockout was lifted. Even though I was the only caster, I only got maybe one usable piece ever, the whole time. After 2.4 (or actually I think only since 2.41), I've kept track of how many times I've won Turn 6.

After 29 wins, I finally saw the caster neck drop for the first time. Won lot against one other person.

After 31 wins, I finally saw the caster ring drop for the first time. Uncontested lot.

To put that in perspective, if I'd done that before the lockout was lifted, assuming there are 4.33 weeks in a month, it would have taken me a little over 7 months of farming Turn 6, winning every week, to finally get my loot. 7. Months.

Does that seem ridiculous to anyone on the dev team? Imagine if there were actually 2 casters on my team. Farm for a year+ to get the stuff for both of us? Seriously?

I got pretty excited when games like WildStar said they'd have tokens that you could use to purchase raid items, if and only if you'd cleared the content they are associated with. I was hoping FFXIV would have a similar system when they said there would be tokens and also raid drops -- instead we have 2 sets for every job, one token one raid, with roughly 50% of each set being total garbage so you need to get both... What? I'd rather you guys have an NPC you buy the gear at, but you can only get it if you beat the raid its tied to, and have everything drop currency. There was even stuff like this in FFXI. If you want to add in the "challenge" back, I guess make it so you need to clear the raid 5 times to buy the loot, because lol I guess. Pretty much anything besides the current lottery system, and definitely don't put any 1% drop rate nonsense like you did for "rare items" like primal mounts.

Sorry, separate post because separate thought:

I in no way agree with the suggestions in the OP. I think they are overly complicated, anyway. Making everything into tokens, or tokens + random drops, is a more elegant solution, and one that should be embraced by the dev team, rather than the current lottery system (which seems to be embraced because people have the incorrect notion that most people are really looking for the "rush" of getting that low chance drop, when really they want to clear the content and be adequately rewarded).

The system should be consistent, coil just do what the same as other dungeons.
Tome is what the token, that's why tome gear and "raid" gear have same iLV.

I object OP both suggestions as it is customized for specific purpose but ignoring entire system consistency.
I will suggest just make the loot same as i90 loot form ex-dungeons, the player get an item for exchanging the real gear of his desired job.
By this way the loot system will be consistent and, prolly everyone will want to get every drop then. ^^;