Bard needs some love too.

As someone who mains as a bard, we are in a good spot at the moment. Having those dmg penalty while singing songs allows bard to be smart when it comes to using it. Also don't underestimate bard dps too much :p I've seen bards do 400-350 dps in t8 and I know there are some capable of doing more.

I do agree on making songs ogcd though. That can get annoying when it comes to turning on and off songs >_<

So far your the only thread I've seen wanting BRD to have a buff so it doesn't really seem to need one and your just thinking it needs one because other jobs are getting them.

Taking into account the fact they have no positionals, can move and shoot, and can avoid most mechanics melee and casters have to, they're fine. They don't need to do more damage than they already do.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Bard has mobility that no other job has they can full dps and dodge mechanics. They also have a several utility songs. If you remember they nerfed bards shortly after ARR launch because they were doing too much damage and people were just stacking them. Bards have to do less damage else people would just stack them again because having mobility is huge.

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And even with that mobility they are behind. Also since the launch all the other jobs have been getting buffs. As i said in my last post people stacked Bards because they were new to the game and they din't know how to do it better with other jobs but even then it was the lowest of all the dps jobs.

So if you think that's the issue the solution is simple. Leave current Bard how it is but give it a passive damage buff when hes not moving. Is that fair enough?

Aye the main reason why the other jobs needed buffs or tweaking is because they needed it and the Dev team seemed to agree that it dose. So far I don't think BRD needs it.

Bard has the single highest up time on bosses outside of tanks... Let's not ignore their songs either.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

And even with that mobility they are behind. Also since the launch all the other jobs have been getting buffs. As i said in my last post people stacked Bards because they were new to the game and they din't know how to do it better with other jobs but even then it was the lowest of all the dps jobs.

So if you think that's the issue the solution is simple. Leave current Bard how it is but give it a passive damage buff when hes not moving. Is that fair enough?

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A passive buff like that would be nice actually.

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Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail

As someone who mains as a bard, we are in a good spot at the moment. Having those dmg penalty while singing songs allows bard to be smart when it comes to using it. Also don't underestimate bard dps too much :p I've seen bards do 400-350 dps in t8 and I know there are some capable of doing more.

I do agree on making songs ogcd though. That can get annoying when it comes to turning on and off songs >_<

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When Bards can do 400-350 dps in t8, good Monks average 480-450 and that's without having a extra Monk using Dragon Kick, because then it's 500. Blm can do 450+. And this are numbers from before 2.4, so i imagine they can be way better with a Ninja using vulnerability during the fight.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

And even with that mobility they are behind. Also since the launch all the other jobs have been getting buffs. As i said in my last post people stacked Bards because they were new to the game and they din't know how to do it better with other jobs but even then it was the lowest of all the dps jobs.

So if you think that's the issue the solution is simple. Leave current Bard how it is but give it a passive damage buff when hes not moving. Is that fair enough?

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We are on a legacy server and had every job to 50 and found stacking bards the best way to clear first coil, but we stopped doing that after the nerf. It wasn't because people didn't know how to play other jobs we had all the jobs to 50 from 1.0. At the time stacking bards was the best because you could dodge and do dps and pulled ahead of other jobs that had to move.

...OP you fail to understand that not every class needs to have equal damage output to be good DPSers.

Bards get to move nonstop, and DPS 100% of the time. They have no positional requirements, don't need to deal with melee nonsense, and can boost other's DPS by a great amount. Don't you wonder why so many people play bard? Because it's so damn easy and a good DPS, maybe?

You need to realize that the value of a DPS is not only based on what they can parse by hitting a training dummy.