T13 already beaten

So far, these turns are generally based off of "do you know your class" rather then just skill or gear. Gearing/Skill is already a factor with T10 (decently strict soft enrage) and gearing more so for T11. However, for those that are able to pull ridiculous numbers in their respective classes, there are no such things as gear checks. With crafted piecies you can beat HP checks. So at this point, any group with time and gear can down these turns granted you got skill. These turns will not be downed by several people who even beat T9.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Back in the day people didn't know how to play their classes yet -> now they have mastered them.
Back in the day people weren't too used to FF14 mechanics -> after beating Savage coil they can probably deal with every mechanic the game throws at them, no matter how hard and complicated.
But that doesn't mean T13 is easy or undertuned. Just because some hardcore raiders beat it withing 5 day doesn't mean you ever will. It still might be the hardest turn out there.

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Maybe it is like you say, I have no idea. My comment was not meant as a whine or whatever, I was just surprised that was beaten so early that's all.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Grats. After only 5 days, either they are too good or t13 is no t5 back in the day.

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it probably isn't bugged like T5 was, although SE will claim till the end of days that it worked "as intended".

Turn 5 was considered "impossible" by many due to how twisters originally worked. Since Square had to go out of their way to fix it, you can say they were bugged and consistently surviving the mechanic was luck based. Blue Garter was the only group that beat Turn 5 before the twister change. They tried it enough times, until eventually, the stars aligned and they had a smooth enough run to do it. If it wasn't for twisters being bugged, Turn 5 would have quickly been beaten too. Right after the twister change, people started beating it left and right.

Also, people only had i70 gear for content that was meant to be done in i90. The mythology cap was 300 instead of 450 and you had to grind AK/WP to cap it each week. So everybody was way undergeared for the first coil. It took a long time to gear up. 3 weeks for a zenith, 3 weeks for a chest/legs.

How much time took T7 world first ? Wasn't it 8 days ?

Anyway, those guys are awesome, they did well, congratz to them if they're reading me.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

All this means is they undertuned the turns. There should have been a *hard* gear check but I guess it doesn't really exist if you can just use i110 crafted to brute force your way through.

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They can only tune them so hard. If they tuned them for the 0.01% of playerbase, 99% wouldn't get past T10. Savage is coming up in 2.5 for the 0.1% anyway. Coil is designed to be hard, but not so hard only 0.01% can clear it.

Turn 10 is already strict. You need very high dps. Much higher dps than being able to skip past the second ghost in Turn 9 and no one can die. No one. One death is all it takes to hit the soft enrage that will quickly kill you. You can't single tank or heal it either. (Not with current gear anyway). So if you needed a 5th dps to push the second ghost, you don't have anywhere near the dps for Turn 10.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

All this means is they undertuned the turns. There should have been a *hard* gear check but I guess it doesn't really exist if you can just use i110 crafted to brute force your way through.

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Normally I would say it's undertuned, but these guys have actual skill and know their stuff when it comes to this game. So undertuned or not, they definitely deserve to be the first out of any FC, tbh.

Anyone knows what loot dropped and which class setup they were using?

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Originally Posted by Exstal

All this means is they undertuned the turns. There should have been a *hard* gear check but I guess it doesn't really exist if you can just use i110 crafted to brute force your way through.

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Considering it was downed by the group that beat T1-4 in i55 w/o echo, speedran T9 in 7 mins in i90 gear and had world first savage T9, just shows the skill of the players, HP checks on DPS and healers can be overcome with melded right side.