What if a self healing paladin offtank is viable?

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Originally Posted by Noll

Step1: craft i110 tank gears.
Step2: meld full mind on the gears
Step3: Make a raid party made of 1other tank, 5dps and 1 other healer.

Now you as an offtank will help with the healing on the maintank with cure1 spam.

What do you think? Would this work? /Discuss

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it will not work because:

1. not enough healing power
2. PLD doesn't have enough mp

Paladin also lacks the traits from CNJ that enhance their cures further. Better off trying to meld for DPS.

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Originally Posted by Naelle

I healed a run in 1.0 Cutter's as a Paladin. Was a little harder than WHM, sure, but a lot more fun. Amelia is right though, keeping stoneskin on the main tank is incredibly helpful.

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I've healed part of Titan HM as BLM and PLD.

I also Solo healed myself for 60% of Ifrit HM.
And that was in tank gear. SO with mind on it. I bet that would be no problem to heal yourself on.

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Originally Posted by Noll

Oh if its indeed "magic damage" limited IT wont work yeah.

I guess the only viable mind melded healer hybrid you can make is the blm then. But it will still be a suboptimal choice.

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Yes.
The OT can DPS better than he can Heal.
So why make him heal when you can bring in that 2nd healer and when he doesn't need to OT he can DPS to pseudo make up that 5th DPS slot.

High Allagan Blade has 39 Magic Damage
if you added fully melded i90 rings with MND, you'll end up with +50 MND

your cure spell should be doing somewhere in the ballpark of 320ish? (not 100% positive on my math

so 2.4 HP per MP

stoneskin is 266 MP and if you heal a WAR with 10000

you're mitigating 1000 damage for 266 mp which turns into 3.76 HP per MP

now if we really want to be able to heal as an OT, we would need one of two things:

the return of Holy Succor, but kind of merge it with lustrate. Instant cast, 20% of max MP. Cannot cast on self, restores 15% of target's max HP. add effect: increase your maximum HP by 20% of amount healed and heal for same amount.

1474 max mp -> 295 MP -> war 10,000 hp -> 1500 heal -> 5.0 hp per mp -> up max HP+heal for 300

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another oath spell that does something like: remove ability to autoattack. give refresh potency 25. doubles magic damage on weapon (high allagan blade 39 -> 78.) healing potency based off of attack like second wind. this will make your heals in a STR set equal to that of a Physick or Cure MINUS the 30% from Maim and Mend II.

so in this stance you have a heal which is good for most of what a Cure of Physick from WHM or SCH can do

I'd rather see a 3rd part to the riot blade blade combo that shielded a nearby ally for 100% of the damage dealt

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Originally Posted by Phafi

the return of Holy Succor, but kind of merge it with lustrate. Instant cast, 20% of max MP. Cannot cast on self, restores 15% of target's max HP. add effect: increase your maximum HP by 20% of amount healed and heal for same amount.

1474 max mp -> 295 MP -> war 10,000 hp -> 1500 heal -> 5.0 hp per mp -> up max HP+heal for 300

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another oath spell that does something like: remove ability to autoattack. give refresh potency 25. doubles magic damage on weapon (high allagan blade 39 -> 78.) healing potency based off of attack like second wind. this will make your heals in a STR set equal to that of a Physick or Cure MINUS the 30% from Maim and Mend II.

so in this stance you have a heal which is good for most of what a Cure of Physick from WHM or SCH can do

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I actually like both of these ideas. PLD is great as a MT, but as an OT (especially in fights with little to no dangerous adds) it's sorta just an extra appendage that doesn't add much. It needs more healing ability in order to have better OT utility.

You would be better off having a SCH as dps backup healing.

And don't expect BLM to do any real healing with Physick.

I have actually tried this. I loaded up on mind materia, put my stats into mind, and used a mind pot. The increase in healing is negligible. The magic damage on weapons is so much more important than mind.

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Originally Posted by Noll

Oh if its indeed "magic damage" limited IT wont work yeah.

I guess the only viable mind melded healer hybrid you can make is the blm then. But it will still be a suboptimal choice.

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won't really work with pld or blm as most healers have 500+ mind and non healers typically have between 150-200 mind so it's a huge gap of around 300+ mind you would need to meld to make your heals decent. The only reason sch and whm make decent dps is due to cleric stance that allows them to swap their 500+ mind into 500+ int and gives a 10% damage boost otherwise their dps would be lols also. Not to mention you would also need to make due without a magic damage weapon on pld.