Why dont multiple sch shield stack?

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

You say that, but even when I crit for 3000 the shield goes down extremely quick where as say mid battle if you have two regens on the tank it's gonna get him back to full health in 3 seconds on top of that if you divine seal it's even more likely that the tank won't need much healing. If it was two scholars the tank needs much more attention, because we don't have regen.

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Whispering Dawn from EOS = Regen...

TBQH two Adloquium's would be pretty OP and I like scholar, because it's a Hybrid of a few jobs. I can turn the switch on/off better than WHM when it comes to DPS, although WHM DPS is superior to Scholar in terms of burst output especially with CS at their disposal. But SCH is a great utility alternative to pure healer like WHM.

WHM IMO is more of a potent dependable healer (Translation: WHM heals are more powerful than scholar).

SCH has alot of utility to offer and I tend to play my scholar based on the premises of "damage prevention" vs "damage recovery" If I know an AOE is comin, Succor is already on my team before and after the AoE.

Two SCH are not horrible with healing a 8 man team as someone said earlier in this thread. I've did ST plenty of times with another scholar and did better than teams that had two WHM or one SCH and one WHM, though that could be fault of the healer. I personally prefer WHM/SCH combo because of the array of options at the healers disposals to keep the team alive, especially the way I play my SCH, that allows swift recovery from a Medica II on devastating AoE's etc...

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

You say that, but even when I crit for 3000 the shield goes down...

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This is mostly true in dungeons, and in fact I was just talking to my friend about how I basically DS->Regen, then just DPS for most dungeon pulls. But MP management is an enormous part of WHM gameplay, and Medica II is one of the most MP-intensive spells we have (beaten by Holy and Raise, I think), so we can't just keep it up 100%, like we do with Regen.

In addition, DS takes two Regens to come off Cooldown. Also, if you have a WHM, try to see how long you can survive using just Regen, you seem to feel like it's a higher potency than it is. It's not really a healing spell so much as a comfort zone while we cast our real healing spells.

Regardless, Galvanize is still "reverse Regen," in that the damage negation still comes, it just comes before the hits instead of after.

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

You say that, but even when I crit for 3000 the shield goes down extremely quick where as say mid battle if you have two regens on the tank it's gonna get him back to full health in 3 seconds on top of that if you divine seal it's even more likely that the tank won't need much healing. If it was two scholars the tank needs much more attention, because we don't have regen.

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Regen with full i110 with HA weapon ticks for 470-480 on average. Add in 40% of DS that's 650-670 on average every 3 seconds. Claiming two DS regens will heal a tank to full in 3 seconds is complete nonsense - Unless you are talking about a level 30 tank. In fact, a single fairy heal would easily outheal a single DS regen tick with one embrace - Which is also once every three seconds.

Assume you failed to read this post, I'll quote myself:

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Same reason why stoneskins don't stack: Two White Mage stoneskins on a 10k HP warrior is 3600 points worth of damage. Two adloquiums on the same tank is good for ~2500 points worth of damage (up to 8000 with healing buffs up)

Having multiple HoT spells doesn't save you from getting killed instantly (Death sentence, Blighted Bouquette, Raven's beak etc.) but having two stoneskins or two galvanized (especially when it crits) allows you to go #yolo on too many things it would break mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Zedd702

Whispering Dawn from EOS = Regen...

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You fail to mention the cool down on Whispering Dawn, it's definitely not a WHM regen. Regen has more potency and no cool down time or cast time. It's easy to try to compare the two, but get your facts straight first.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Regen with full i110 with HA weapon ticks for 470-480 on average. Add in 40% of DS that's 650-670 on average every 3 seconds. Claiming two DS regens will heal a tank to full in 3 seconds is complete nonsense - Unless you are talking about a level 30 tank. In fact, a single fairy heal would easily outheal a single DS regen tick with one embrace - Which is also once every three seconds.

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We're not talking about static heals we're talking about healing over time you can't compare Eos' embace to a regen, because they're two totally different things. Also remember I said two not one regen. Eos doesn't automatically heal every 3 seconds like a regen would she'll only heal when HP is under a certain amount. This is also mid battle not at the start why would you keep on casting Stoneskin in mid battle when your healing would do be much more effective, saying that two Stoneskins won't stack is just a shit excuse coming out of your ass you use Stoneskin at the start, Scholars use Adloquium for shield as well as for the heal. We've already established that two Scholars are the worst type of combo, at lest with two White Mages the regens stack they have no trouble with having to coordinate better, because their mana doesn't get wasted as much as Scholars do.

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

You fail to mention the cool down on Whispering Dawn, it's definitely not a WHM regen. Regen has more potency and no cool down time or cast time. It's easy to try to compare the two, but get your facts straight first. :)

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Either way it doesn't matter because Eos gathers dust at end-game except possibly if you want to use her for a solo heal run. But yes, WD isn't comparable to Regen except that they're both HoTs.

I personally wouldn't mind a succor shield stack although that should not stack with Adlo, nor 2 Adlos.
Two Scholars basically need to think bit otherwise as they usually would and needs a lot more coordination than two WHM.

Altering Sacred soils + Eos/Selene combo give some nice results. You can also coordinate who'll focus on tanks and the other focuses more on the raid.

It's bit sad though that many of the fairy skills don't stack.

Two strange, uncoordinated SCHs healing together can be sloppy when it comes to AoE heals, but who really cares? Two SCHs can slop all they want and not run out of MP unless they're extraordinarily bad or needing to spam rezzes. It's not as elegant a solution as a single Medica II cast to heal the entire party between unavoidable AoEs, but it will work.

Two SCHs also means two fairies, so despite double Succor being somewhat wasteful, it's not as bad as it sounds. The SCHs just have to either be quick enough to force Embraces where needed the most during major AoEs or at least stop spamming Embrace on the tank so that the fairies can independently heal up the DPS who took the biggest hits. Ideally you have Succor up nearly 100% of the time to help mitigate the impending AoE, anyway, so it's never as bad as it might sound. If the SCHs actually know each other and are coordinated, the potential for damage control is very high.

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

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Fine, I'll turn on the helpdesk mentality and assume your brain is in a glass jar on top of your desk.

For starters: This is mainly about endgame content. The more casual content (Crystal-/syrcus tower, dungeons etc.) aren't even worth mentioning or elaborating.

You mentioned two regens? I gave you numbers for one regen. One regen heals for 470-480 on average, 650-670 with Divine Seal. Which means that TWO regens will heal for 940-960 on average and 1300-1340 hp every three seconds. Still with me? Excellent. A scholar worth their salt has full control over their fairy and uses embrace manually. Scholars letting the fairy sit on /sic - or even worse: /obey and not do anything with it - might as well play White Mage instead of Scholar. Just like how Regen overheals every 3 seconds because the target's HP is full, so can a fairy overheal every 3 seconds with Embrace. But if you don't feel like having the fairy pre-cast it's embraces, your decision I guess.
Stoneskinning mid-battle has it's uses to prepare the tank (or anyone else for that matter) for big hits. Just like how a scholar worth their salt casts adloquium on the tank before the big hit comes in.

Just like how two scholars are a terrible combination, the same applies for two white mages. I'll give you some homework here and figure it out yourself why two white mages is a sub-optimal combination - just like how two scholars are sub-optimal. I'll give you a hint: Two white mages combo has a far worse MP efficiency than two scholars. But do make sense, rather than something that is "according to you".

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

just like how two scholars are sub-optimal. I'll give you a hint: Two white mages combo has a far worse MP efficiency than two scholars.

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This is a good point. Two WHMs together are usually pumping out ridiculous overheal, and their DPS is not nearly as sustainable as that of the SCH.

Given the choice, I'd pretty much always take 1 SCH + 1 WHM for end-game content where 2 healers are desired.

For casual content, as I said before, it doesn't matter at all. Slop shields all over the place or blow your party up with HoT spam, because it makes no difference when the challenge level is low and the players are extremely overgeared. Two of the same healer isn't unworkable in most situations, just not optimal.

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

You fail to mention the cool down on Whispering Dawn, it's definitely not a WHM regen. Regen has more potency and no cool down time or cast time. It's easy to try to compare the two, but get your facts straight first.

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Before you come at me like. You either need to read, re-read or re-re-read your own post. You stated "Scholars (the correct term you used was "we") don't have regen." My facts are straight, you should practice what you preach, because as I stated before: EOS Whispering Dawn = Regen...