[Bard] Novus Stats — I still haven't gotten mine :P

If you aren't willing to spend the time or gil to get 44/31, then the best stat to put the remainder into is Accuracy. The amount of damage you'll lose by sacrificing 13-15 points of Crit/Det is so small that only the highest tier of min-maxers truly care about it. If you aren't in that crowd, do whatever you feel most comfortable with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Donjo

If you aren't willing to spend the time or gil to get 44/31, then the best stat to put the remainder into is Accuracy. The amount of damage you'll lose by sacrificing 13-15 points of Crit/Det is so small that only the highest tier of min-maxers truly care about it. If you aren't in that crowd, do whatever you feel most comfortable with.

---

Depending on the acc cap for the content you are running putting acc on the bow can actually be slightly more optimal. It really depends on the acc cap and how the gear available for the tier complements the stats you put into the bow. For stuff with no acc cap then the 44 crit + 31 det route is ideal.

I've heard that Nexus may not give you the full +3 secondary stats if you infused your Novus with 3 stats instead of the standard 2. I can't really confirm or deny that though. Anyone know for sure? If that is true then using only 2 stats may be the way to go.

Are you poor? Just get 33 crit, 23 det, 19 acc. This requires 0 Tier IV materia and allows you to have your Novus right now so you can start working on Nexus. Having the extra weapon damage for Novus/Nexus outweighs what a few crit/det is going to do for you. The most important thing is that you get it now. And even with this stat allocation, I believe it's better than the rosenbogen or high allagan, right? (in terms of stat allocation).

They just introduced the ability to modify the Novus/Nexus. You'll be able to strip off any unwanted stats and put on ones you want, all it costs is alexandrite and materia for the stats you want to replace. So if at some future date you're rolling around in gil, with 19 alexandrite (maybe a few more for nexus, not sure on the particulars of modifying nexus vs. novus), you can strip off the 19 accuracy and use the T4 materia to replace them with the optimal stats you're looking for.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Giantbane

Are you poor? Just get 33 crit, 23 det, 19 acc. This requires 0 Tier IV materia and allows you to have your Novus right now so you can start working on Nexus. Having the extra weapon damage for Novus/Nexus outweighs what a few crit/det is going to do for you. The most important thing is that you get it now. And even with this stat allocation, I believe it's better than the rosenbogen or high allagan, right? (in terms of stat allocation).

---

That was the poor man's Novus I was looking at making until I heard that you may not get the full +3 secondary stats on Nexus if you have 3 secondary stats on your Novus. I am only on the second book of my Animus so I've got some time to wait and see the truth about the Nexus secondary stats. If it is true I was thinking of going 44 acc + 31 det or 31 acc + 44 crit instead of 19 acc, 33, crit, 23 det.

Well i am not poor or rich. Just do not want to spend 2 mil on a weapon is all. I only infuse as i go and thinking i will infuse all det first to see how it goes.
I am shooting for full crit and det but like i said i already lost several materias, and IV Materia (which i have not yet got to) is around 400k or more each.
Going the sb route and hope i get the required materia. I am not needing the weapon to complete like this week as i do have other classes @ 50 i use.
I think 44 acc would be too much honestly Rinchan but it all comes down to what suites the player, which is the one thing nice that came from Novus, lol
As for 33 crit,23 det, 19 acc i am not sure if it would be better then ha. Someone mentioned 44/31 would be on par with it, not sure as i have not looked at stats yet.

Yea. After playing around with the gear calculator it looks like 31 acc + 44 crit would be the way to go if you want acc and only 2 stats. The 44 acc + 31 det idea seems to be a bust with the current gear and food choices available.

At the t8 acc cap of 491 making a 44 crit + 31 det bow would result in a slightly better build. But at the t9 acc cap of 512 (if you choose to meet it 100%) the 31 acc + 44 crit bow would result in a better build.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Maero

Well i am not poor or rich. Just do not want to spend 2 mil on a weapon is all. I only infuse as i go and thinking i will infuse all det first to see how it goes.
I am shooting for full crit and det but like i said i already lost several materias, and IV Materia (which i have not yet got to) is around 400k or more each.
Going the sb route and hope i get the required materia. I am not needing the weapon to complete like this week as i do have other classes @ 50 i use.
I think 44 acc would be too much honestly Rinchan but it all comes down to what suites the player, which is the one thing nice that came from Novus, lol
As for 33 crit,23 det, 19 acc i am not sure if it would be better then ha. Someone mentioned 44/31 would be on par with it, not sure as i have not looked at stats yet.

---

high allagan is 32acc & 32 det.
assuming worst case upgrade to nexus, you're talking 34crit, 23det, 20acc

so you lose 12acc & 9det on the high allagan but gain 34 crit on the nexus. Sounds like a good trade to me.

EDIT: 2 mil is also a low estimate, you'll use 3.2 million worth of Det materia alone if you don't fail any melds. That's not counting the 11 Tier IV crit materia that would be used if you also don't fail any melds. 6 million is probably the lowest you'll get on most servers if you are 100% on all your melds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RinchanNau

Yea. After playing around with the gear calculator it looks like 31 acc + 44 crit would be the way to go if you want acc and only 2 stats. The 44 acc + 31 det idea seems to be a bust with the current gear and food choices available.

At the t8 acc cap of 491 making a 44 crit + 31 det bow would result in a slightly better build. But at the t9 acc cap of 512 (if you choose to meet it 100%) the 31 acc + 44 crit bow would result in a better build.

---

The thing about DET is that on every other item in the game it is subject to a stat penalty. Look at the Tier IV materia, Det IV gives +6, but Crit IV gives +9. Or the HA bow, where you only get +32 acc & +32 det. For the HA bow, the 32 det would be 46 if it was crit. Det is worth something like 1.4 of everything else save piety on a point per point basis (in terms of pure stat weights). The reason is because det tends to be the best secondary DPS stat on a point per point basis, so it's subject to the penalty to balance it out.

The great thing about the Novus/Nexus, however, is that Det is not subject to this penalty on a point for point basis. 1 det = 1 crit when you're adding stats. Only the cap is subject to the penalty (you can only put on +31 det, but it only counts as 31 stat points, not the 44 stat points it would normally cost). For this reason, I'm pretty sure every DPS class should absolutely put at least 23 det on their Novus to best utilize this property. The extra 8 is optional because it will cost another 3 - 10+ million to actually meld (if your luck is poor on the melds), and it's not *that* powerful (secondary stats are very weak in this game) so it may not be worth it to you.

So, 31acc/44crit is a bad choice because it does not take advantage of this. Lets consider, when you upgrade to nexus. This will give you 32acc, 46crit or 78 stat points total. And lets take the worst case with the poor man's novus, and assume it only gives you +2 split between the weakest stats, or +34crit, +23det, +20acc. If you consider the stat weight, this gives you 34+23x1.4+20 ~97. So even though you only get +2 on the upgrade, the final result still gets an extra 8 stat points over the accuracy version you're considering. The poor man's novus is both better in terms of stats, but it's also cheaper to make and it's cheaper to fix if you ever want to change it to +44crit/+31det. Sounds like a much better option to me.

I've seen that a 44(anything)/31 Det Novus upgrades into a 46/32 Nexus.
Would love to see what some 3+ stat novus' turn into.


Edit: Friend of mine just finished their bow. 25 acc, 25 Crit, 25 Det became 26/26/25. Only 2 points gained. I don't want to say "punished" but the system is programmed to "favor" 2 stat builds it seems.

For BRD, it's not really hard to gain that accuracy cap for T9. Although... the full soldiery gear makes it lacking, but... can switch one or two of gear part with either ST or T5 coil gear to make it up. Raising on crit & deter on the other hand are not easy, especially since the soldiery set are really heavy on skill speed. Full set gives you over 510 SS, which HA able to replace with better stat.

44/31 or bust.

It's the only weapon you get to customize it as you want it. Don't cheap out on it.