[Suggest] FC Primal Summoning System

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Lightning Strikes
Burgeoning Dread

Tell you what. Give me a good explanation for each one of these and how not a single one is lorebreaking and I might just concede to your point.

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These 2 both explain themselves. Lightning can travel time/dimensions. Shantotto had all her clones/other dimension selves go back to their own dimensions. Due to some of them being evil (or at least some having the possibility), it really wouldnt be a stretch to think some would instead to go another dimension.

Breaking Brick Mountains is just golems made by bricks, instead of some other substance that came directly from the earth.

Take a look at hunts. You want to try and tell me that if FC based primal summoning was implemented (Probably would be rooted in FATEs or something akin to it, like Hunts) that it wouldn't immediately turn into a cutthroat server wide war between a handful of 3-4 Free Companies monopolizing the system?

Either content is worthwhile and it becomes a war to get the rewards or it isn't and it's totally ignored.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Final Fantasy Dissidia and the SE Multiverse. FFXIV is but one universe in a multiverse existence. At least this is how it was explained. Though I think I've covered the nonlorebreaking aspect fairly well in a post above. By the way every time I see your banner it makes me want to get the Odin Helm and glamour it lol

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That's False.

Lightning Strikes and Burgeoning Dread, I can understand being explained away by the Dissidia Multiverse. The Breaking Brick Mountains comes direct from Dragon Quest, which has absolutely zero precedent setting foot in Final Fantasy lands. Not only that, but DQ was initially an Enix title. For XIV to assimilate DQ lore would open up the possibility of not only Enix's entire roster entering FFXIV, but also Eidos.

That means that, if it weren't lorebreaking and anyone could come in using the multiverse theory, we'd start seeing Gabriel Celeste, the Ten Wise Men, Lara Croft, Adam Jensen, and a host of other really really out-of-place characters.

I mean, do I mind that it's lorebreaking that any of these characters could come in at any time? A few of them yeah (Especially the Eidos characters), but not all of them. Doesn't mean they're not lorebreaking.

...and think about it. I mean really THINK. Look at Ifrit. He doesn't even take orders from the Amal'jaa. What in the name of the Twelve are you thinking that he'll somehow miraculously bend his knee to a bunch of humans? There is just no way whatsoever that could happen with the lore as it stands right now.

It is already in the Summoner Lore for people to have the ability (though atm, it may be lost to us, we could very well re-discover it) to summon Primals.

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In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

These 2 both explain themselves. Lightning can travel time/dimensions. Shantotto had all her clones/other dimension selves go back to their own dimensions. Due to some of them being evil (or at least some having the possibility), it really wouldnt be a stretch to think some would instead to go another dimension.

Breaking Brick Mountains is just golems made by bricks, instead of some other substance that came directly from the earth.

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Shantotto also has the ability herself to traverse different dimensions as well. Not just the other Shantotto's that's how that whole mess got started in that storyline back on XI.

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

It is already in the Summoner Lore for people to have the ability (though atm, it may be lost to us, we could very well re-discover it) to summon Primals.


http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

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If that is so, then why, in the final SMN job quest, did someone need 10 Summoner Soul Stones just to summon a more powerful egi instead of a full, actual primal themselves? I mean sure, they weren't Warriors of Light, but the power differential wasn't even all that wide. I mean, if Summoners really did have the power to summon the actual primals themselves, that power is clearly long since gone, or rests exclusively with the Ascians. There is no way I could see a player playing as a summoner being able to summon enough essence of a primal and control it unless something in the lore reveals itself, like a special focusing device or something.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

If that is so, then why, in the final SMN job quest, did someone need 10 Summoner Soul Stones just to summon a more powerful egi instead of a full, actual primal themselves? I mean sure, they weren't Warriors of Light, but the power differential wasn't even all that wide. I mean, if Summoners really did have the power to summon the actual primals themselves, that power is clearly long since gone, or rests exclusively with the Ascians. There is no way I could see a player playing as a summoner being able to summon enough essence of a primal and control it unless something in the lore reveals itself, like a special focusing device or something.

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I never said a single individual could summon 1 primal or more by themselves, even in that tid-bit of lore it says a tribe of mages. Maybe it took an entire tribe of Summoner's to summon a primal. I'm just saying it is already in Summoner's histories that people other than beastmen have the power and means somehow to summon full blown primals to their side. How this is accomplished we don't know yet, and probably won't until they implement the system.

SE has already stated they want to add this system in, I'm sure it will come with the appropriate lore, plus we have no idea how Shiva will come about, maybe that will be the key we need in order to learn how to summon a Primal to our side/aid. There are no histories of Shiva, and no way of knowing how she comes to be or who summons her.

Belias wasn't just an oversized Egi, he was the Egi of a former Elder Primal...buddy had to piece that power together from the collective experiences of ten different Allagan-era SMNs since, A) Belias has not been recently Summoned and therefore cannot be defeated in order to confront the Egi form in the normal way and B) The soul stones only hold the memories of the individuals who held that particular stone so if it took ten SMNs to fully summon the Primal, then you need the memories of those ten to at least form the Egi.

I wouldn't get too hung up on lore since the dev team is actually going to make roaming primals a reality. My question is do you like the mechanics of this concept I layed out or do you have another idea on how it should work?