Do we need Raid Finder?

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Just want to mention, JP forum some suggestions about unlock cob2 with no loot as trade off,
bcoz they want to play it, not farm it.

I am curious if there is no loot for extra runs in the week,
will ppl really spent their time on it, while everyone say hunting made all contents meaningless ^^;

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There are still people who wanna play it with friends "sometimes" just like me, I m sure.
Of course, if no loot, then people will not do it often, but probably only do it when their close friends ask for help.

Oh btw, when they asked about no loot. I believe they mean only the person who clear first within week will not get loot, he can still help friend get loot.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

...I will leave the next question up for discussion: what ilvl drops for Raid Finder groups?...

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I think Dev already gave the answer. ^^;
The savage mode was released to fullly satisfy the ppl need harder contents, and unqiue awards could be obtained.

Meanwhile, the menitoned "Raid Finder group" would be equal to DF verison,
when it becomes available, this content is not "endgame" anymore, it is old content and not ending the game,
the loots are outdated, so the drops are nerfed automatically.

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Originally Posted by Alise

..I believe they mean only the person who clear first within week will not get loot, he can still help friend get loot.

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Yes i read many many opinions and found most ppl objected above for selling runs...etc.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

There is content for lesser skilled and those who don't/can't do harder content. All the dungeons, Crystal tower 1 and 2, Hunts, even relics, though they are a time sink are wholely soloable and due to them being easy are time based instead of difficulty based.

Yet for those who prefer challenging content there is ex primals and Coil 1 and 2.

If you complain some content is too easy, then it probably wasn't designed to cater to your playstyle. Also if you complain certain content is too difficult then the same applies.

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Prefer? I've seen requirements for joining some FC's must be available always even able to miss work if necessary to clear new content. It's a matter of finding the right people and I think LS do a far better job but there's a catch there too.

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Originally Posted by Elven

Prefer? I've seen requirements for joining some FC's must be available always even able to miss work if necessary to clear new content. It's a matter of finding the right people and I think LS do a far better job but there's a catch there too.

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It really depends. Our FC works well together but schedules don't sync up until 2 specific evenings. It would be nice to use our LS we made with another FC to fill in spots and run whenever we have the people together but running without the people that aren't available means they miss out on extremely valuable practice. We want to participate in the challenging content but requiring a schedule is an annoying barrier to that.

It is encouraging to hear that the JP players feel similarly.

The content is not more harder, it is just less PUG-friendly.

To add more to this thread, I'd like put in my suggest on have a "already cleared this" checkbox in party finder, to let in only players who have cleared before the given PF encounter. Very useful when you want make a farm party and be sure to not carry learning people cheating about their exp status.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Most of us just want a less strict lockout so we can do things with more people and not have to stick to a strict schedule.

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I understand your situation. Do you also have a solution other than removing the lockout? When a lockout for endgame is removed, groups which do have the schedule (which is a big group too), will clear all endgame within the first two weeks. I don't think that's a healthy development for a subscription MMO.

If your answer is "then don't clear it that fast", that's just like the other group saying to you "just find another group to clear stuff with". It's easy to complain about a situation. It will help more if it includes a possible solution.