Rogue's 2nd job

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Originally Posted by Sho86

So is Rogue then suppose to be the actual replacement of Thief? While I love Dancer all on its own, I was figuring there would be more of a Steal/Mug job coming in later, basically, Thief; as Rogue seems to focus more on the stealth part from the discription.


Edit - Guess the post below answers that question. Haven't been in the loop of things with the updates recently, still catching up x.x Oh well.

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Rogue is basically your thief but reformed; they use their expertise for good. It was explained when announced.

Let's hope we won't need second jobs and they just get rid of the 1.0 to 1.xx system when they introduced classic FF jobs.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

Let's hope we won't need second jobs and they just get rid of the 1.0 to 1.xx system when they introduced classic FF jobs.

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Yes and yes and yes. Get rid of it.

As it currently stands I imagine any 2nd job to not exactly be impressive.
The main reason (I imagine) SCH is as good a healer as it is is because of Eos giving additional skills. If it weren't for the ability to summon her you'd just have physick, adlo, succor, lustrate and sacred soil. Seems very... lackluster to me.

If I would want to play a 2nd job which has a completely different role from its original class, I would certainly hope there's some sort of change to make it work. For example what if Lancer would get a tank job? Just 5 enmity-related skills and that's it? And don't forget defensive cooldowns that would be necessary.

I might just be overthinking but to be honest the system as it is now looks to be limiting things a lot.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Eh I'm still on the side that the entire class system is going to eventually get the axe.

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i think the whole systeme need a rethink actually hehe

Classes having 30 levels and job crystals having 20 of their own could definitely allow a lot more flexibility with the system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LJUBaug_g

Just gonna drop this video there for all those out of the loop... Yes Rogue has stealth from whomever mentioned it earlier in the thread.
Also Jandor I do agree with you on the condition they keep the same number of skills the Class would get otherwise. Because to be honest not only is a 2nd job limiting in terms of stat points but LETS BE REAL a dumb idea for basically ANY of the current classes in the exception of arcanist BECAUSE of their summons.

Think about any other class and turn it into something else... You really think a poison stealth based dot DPS would make a good healer with 5 skills? You think it would compete with White Mage or hell even Scholar with even 8 skills?

Coming from FF5 and the like and seeing Warrior using a big axe, berserk, being based around rage, and NOT being a Berserker.
I get it, but... Feels weird, man.

I'm REALLY glad rogue isn't thief, cause a thief without steal/mug is like potato salad without potato.

I'm thinking revising the class/job system is going to happen by "Specializing" a class, ex. CNJ to WHM to Geomancer, or MRD to WAR to Dark Knight, along those lines.

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Originally Posted by Axeus

Think about any other class and turn it into something else... You really think a poison stealth based dot DPS would make a good healer with 5 skills? You think it would compete with White Mage or hell even Scholar with even 8 skills?

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Well, I ask you this, then. What makes a Scholar think it can compete with a White Mage? White Mage excels at healing because conjurer excels at healing. It's what they do. Scholar starts as a DD with 1 heal and 1 self heal in arcanist. Discounting the self heal this leaves Scholar with 6 healing actions, with Leeches being level 40 (seriously, why isn't it level 35). Have to discount cross-class as that'd be what unifies the three Jobs. Dancer would be no worse than Scholar, with maybe Ninja's 'kata' mechanic redone as Steps, with Step combinations performing various buffs, debuffs and heals. I can totally see it.