:cool: Test of General Knowledge: Enmity(Rage) not only Tanks

You just described the exact scenario Provoke is designed for. Also by that point a tank is usually miles ahead of DPS on enmity.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

You just described the exact scenario Provoke is designed for. Also by that point a tank is usually miles ahead of DPS on enmity.

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I understand that and your right. But what im noticing is the tanks over aggro the adds and making the OT pull that much harder.

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Originally Posted by Oni_Akuma

Thanks, Now here's what I'm trying to explain.

Here's a Scenario:

Fighting Garuda Extreme:

2 Tanks, 2 Healers and 4 DPS is the layout.

Now what you showed me was what tanks do to build rage. Now there are times where DPS get the Rage. Why is that (I already know the answer)

When Tanks are pulling Chirada and Suprana away, they don't keep tabs of how much Rage they are accumulating:

Chirada:/Enmity

OT: 4305/Enm.
DPS1: 4200/Enm.
DPS2: 3876/Enm.
DPS3: 3768/Enm
DPS4: 2634


The DPS also create and accumulate rage while attacking. So everyone must be at full Sync and know if they are doing too much that they may out aggro the Tank.

Now the MT has Garuda already pulled and is keeping up the aggro, and OT needs to pull the add Suprana now: (Takes too long to pull)

Reason being is the MT accumulated at least 5k rage on Suprana and therefore the OT needs to build enough rage and pass that 5k Mark for him to even pull Suprana.

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I think you're the one who doesn't understand how enmity works. Provoke will match the enmity of whoever is highest on the enmity list; thus, provoke > shield lob will always pull the mob off whomever, assuming that the person with highest enmity does not continue accruing enmity.

Furthermore, I think you're using a very odd strategy for garuda extreme. There's really no reason to pull suparna off the MT at any point in the fight. It's also much easier just to leave chirada alive and kill suparna first these days.

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Originally Posted by Oni_Akuma

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I'm having a difficult time figuring out what you're asking and what your point is. If you're trying to teach people how enmity works, just say it. If you're trying to learn how to tank, just ask. All of this asking "How do you think this works" and replying with "ah-ha, this is really how it works!" when someone replies is tiresome.

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Originally Posted by Billzey

I think you're the one who doesn't understand how enmity works. Provoke will match the enmity of whoever is highest on the enmity list; thus, provoke > shield lob will always pull the mob off whomever, assuming that the person with highest enmity does not continue accruing enmity.

Furthermore, I think you're using a very odd strategy for garuda extreme. There's really no reason to pull suparna off the MT at any point in the fight. It's also much easier just to leave chirada alive and kill suparna first these days.

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Thanks, I main DPS, So the Server is in desperate need to progress so I'm making a tank.

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Originally Posted by Oni_Akuma

Thanks, I main DPS, So the Server is in desperate need to progress so I'm making a tank.

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All servers need more tanks, it's one of the main dungeon issues with this game.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Lastly, provoke only puts you at the top of your party's enmity table, not the table in general.

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Note in CT and ST it will put you at the top of your Alliances list not just your parties. So don't be that guy that provokes off the main tank to show off.

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Originally Posted by Chibionieko

Note in CT and ST it will put you at the top of your Alliances list not just your parties. So don't be that guy that provokes off the main tank to show off.

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Yeah, I know. I don't like that stuff either, like in CM or Prae where there's a tank new to the run trying to take MT even when I'm at Animus....

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Lastly, provoke only puts you at the top of your party's enmity table, not the table in general. So for any time I hear someone say, "I was doing (some open world content) and a tank came up, provoked it off me and reset it!" All I have to say is...
https://forums.oneplus.net/attachmen...o-3-jpg.34997/

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That's a cool story, bro...cause it's not true. In fact, I have no idea where you got that or if you just "figured it out" yourself. Test in CT/ST, you can certainly provoke off another party, and as someone who has reset mobs off people not in their party, I can confirm your story...is just a story.

As for OP, you really come off like you're here to teach.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/7300790/ shows you're in no position to do so.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

That's a cool story, bro...cause it's not true. In fact, I have no idea where you got that or if you just "figured it out" yourself. Test in CT/ST, you can certainly provoke off another party, and as someone who has reset mobs off people not in their party, I can confirm your story...is just a story.

As for OP, you really come off like you're here to teach.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/7300790/ shows you're in no position to do so.

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Actually, he is correct. In CT/ST, it counts the alliance as 1 party. In anything non-raid, provoke only does your party's max emnity +1.