Way to get it wrong......

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Originally Posted by Verranicus

Deal with it and find another exploit to farm tomes with.

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I have joined a total of 1 farm groups so nothing for me to deal with, I "farm" my tomes through roulettes and beast tribe dailies. A dungeon doesn't take that long to complete in full anyway especially Bray.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

Even still they should not dictate to a fully pre made party that they have to wait 10 min. While Bray can certainly be done in full in 12-14 min easy some want to farm the first two and that's the choice they made when they put the party together, this should only apply to a group that uses DF to fill spots and not fully formed groups.

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Except that you will only get the penalty if you are doing the duty roulette. SE doesn't want you to influence what dungeon you'll get by exiting and re-entering, when it's supposed to be random.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

Even still they should not dictate to a fully pre made party that they have to wait 10 min.

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Did I misread the patch notes?

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Originally Posted by Pantz

It only applies for duty roulette.... Go queue Brayflox hard directly if you want to Myth farm with a premade party...


Seems some are still confused by the change.

1) It only applies to a premade of 4.
2) That premade has to queue for Roulette (hard or expert).

Basically, this is a fix to stop people bypassing the entire meaning of roulette to get the dungeon they want. Like if that premade of four queues hard roulette and gets Pharos Sirius, They leave instantly and join till they get Wanderer's Place.

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Someone who understands the patch notes.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

Even still they should not dictate to a fully pre made party that they have to wait 10 min. While Bray can certainly be done in full in 12-14 min easy some want to farm the first two and that's the choice they made when they put the party together, this should only apply to a group that uses DF to fill spots and not fully formed groups.

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It only applies for duty roulette.... Go queue Brayflox hard directly if you want to Myth farm with a premade party...


Seems some are still confused by the change.

1) It only applies to a premade of 4.
2) That premade has to queue for Roulette (hard or expert).

Basically, this is a fix to stop people bypassing the entire meaning of roulette to get the dungeon they want. Like if that premade of four queues hard roulette and gets Pharos Sirius, They leave instantly and join till they get Wanderer's Place.


If you have a premade of four and queue Brayflox hard (or any other instance for the matter), then leave before 10 minutes are up, you won't be affected by the change. There will also be no difference to any group of 3 (or less) that get a final member through DF. That group will still get deserters penalty for the first person that leaves.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Why would a fully formed group join roulette to farm Bray?

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You do realize that DF is not specific to just people using DF it fills from both Normal DF and Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

You do realize that DF is not specific to just people using DF it fills from both Normal DF and Roulette.

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You are missing the point of the "fully formed" part...

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Originally Posted by Wobble

Even still they should not dictate to a fully pre made party that they have to wait 10 min. While Bray can certainly be done in full in 12-14 min easy some want to farm the first two and that's the choice they made when they put the party together, this should only apply to a group that uses DF to fill spots and not fully formed groups.

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Why not? Together you decide to abandon the dungeon and you should have to pay the price for leaving. It shouldn't be any different from leaving duty in DF.
This isn't about how quick this dungeon can be done, it's about the penalty for leaving a dungeon in progress, regardless of you being premade or not.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Well you don't watch the same movie every day do you? You experience the story once and you're done. Plus is not like the story for most of the dungeons was that deep anyway.

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That's true, but I still don't think that's a good reason to be able to bypass the rest of the dungeon because "you don't want to do it".
Longstop story was hilarious btw

Seems I have to rephrase again to make some people understand.


Right now,

A premade of 4 joining a 4 man instance or a premade of 8 joining an 8 man instance can leave at any time without penalty.
However, when they allowed premades for hard and expert roulette, people abused it by leaving and rejoining till they got a dungeon they wanted. Which totally goes over the point of a roulette.

Now, with the change, they won't be able to abuse it.




Who won't be affected by the change?
1) Non full premades - This group of people are already affected by the penalty hence they could not abuse this system.

2)a full premade queuing any instance besides expert/hard roulette (note the roulette part. queuing for any expert or hard dungeon directly isn't the same as queuing roulette)

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Originally Posted by Wobble

You do realize that DF is not specific to just people using DF it fills from both Normal DF and Roulette.

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You're pretty slow aren't you?