Honestly since I heard that there are jewelry items in the next patch I am thoroughly expecting i70 crafting accessories in this patch. I just hope they arent as much of a pain to get as the artisan tools are. needing 45 items that cost 2500 GC seals each to upgrade is kinda annoying.
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06-24-2014, 02:19 AMKagatoAC
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06-27-2014, 06:21 AMAttacKatSorry, but I must disagree here. I do not know of a path where DoH can fully craft their AF gears w/o any dependency on DoW/M/L. In addition, ATM, iL70+ gear can only be crafted with materials supplied by DoW/M. DoM/W, however, has no dependency on any DoL/H for their iL110 gears.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEC
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06-27-2014, 07:24 AMRavnoYou do it wrong then.Quote:
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06-27-2014, 08:45 AMAttacKatYou HAVE a 100% 3 star HQ rotation?? Please share.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravno
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06-27-2014, 10:58 AMStouterTaruIt's easy, just start with 3 star mats that someone else HQ'ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AttacKat
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06-27-2014, 01:35 PMAttacKatIn other words, 100% HQ rotation doesn't exist for all 3-star items.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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06-27-2014, 04:25 PMHECAnd where exactly do I claim that? I was simply sying that you don't need to spend a single gill (bar millions) to level DoH / DoL. To be able to fully craft DoH / DoL gear you need any DoW / DoM class at level 43+ (at which point you can start gaining tomes from Daily Beast tribe quests), majority of the stuff needed can be gained even prior that and via GC seals. I've fully leveled all my DoHs and DoLs prior even reaching 50 on my first DoW class and I've never purchased anything (or needed to) what I'd not be able to obtain myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AttacKat
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06-28-2014, 01:49 AMAttacKatI guess we are bring out different points to the disagreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEC
You are stating you do not need to spend any gil, but yet, you need to level pretty much all of your DoL/H classes, and any DoW/M class, in order to craft your final gear set for DoH. This, I do not believe is leveling path taken by most of the players. I am saying you can obtain any one DoW/M class max gear set w/o any dependency on any other class, yet, you cannot do the same for DoH/L w/o spending any gil. This, however, I believe is the path of most players.
But in the end, what I am trying to say is SE needs to better balance inter-class dependencies, and not this one-sided combat classes only game play.
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06-28-2014, 08:27 PMRavno
The only difficult mat to HQ is the mastic (i still get mostly HQ) that's used to craft all ilvl90 gear, but even without that, it's easy to do 100% HQ if the other comp are HQ.
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06-30-2014, 11:00 PMkaynide
Respectfully, I think SE designed the jobs as they did (like most MMOs) very intentionally. That is, most players will level some kind of adventuring job, some will dabble in crafts and much less will level all crafting. I think the point of crafting is that it is something you can do alone, in your free time. The adventuring jobs require coordinated play with others: forming parties, scheduling statics or RNGing/PUGing various instances. The challenges involved are like apples and oranges. Complex apples and oranges mind you.
Additionally I don't think it's entirely fair to say a DoW/M does not have dependencies on other jobs. As a PLD, I had to level WHM and WAR to various levels to get specific abilities to be able to do harder dungeons effectively. Again you're right in saying it's nothing like the amount of levels involved in crafting, but honestly leveling crafting was, for me, very fast and very cheap- I actually made a lot of money leveling almost all crafting jobs to 50.