I need a honest opinion about the Atma drop rate......

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Originally Posted by Iriadysa

Ok, seriously, did you really do 10.000 fates? Did you count them or are you just eyeballing it and just exaggerating? Because holy crap, that's a ton of fates...

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Iriadysa, honestly....I kept count everyday to prove a point. I came out negative my last post in regards to this issue that I am having and I wanted to come back on here with factual data to show that I am willing and able to put in work. I sincerely still believe that this is by one of the worst game designs I have seen in alot of MMO's I have played and I have done alot of timesinks and I will say this is bar far the worst....people on here may not agree but I do not know any other game that I have played in where it takes over 2 weeks to get one item. If I was 10/12 I would not have been on herer but I sincerely only have 2/12 in 2 weeks and over 10000 fates......again, is it really fair and worth it?

As I can say, some FC-Members now go for Animus, one finished 12 Atma´s and stated he not used 6 hours as a whole...

I read from another guy who made all his 9 Weapons at least Atma State... 118 Atmas collected... insane, or good luck..

I made up for me I don´t have time for this, going Novus for my Main only, and leaving my Twinks where they are...

but from what i hear, it feels to me that the drop chances are significantly higher, maybe due to much lesser ppl zerging whole regions anymore...

myself got a Atma while wasting time in FATEs while waiting for another one to spawn...

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Originally Posted by Madruck

Iriadysa, honestly....I kept count everyday to prove a point. I came out negative my last post in regards to this issue that I am having and I wanted to come back on here with factual data to show that I am willing and able to put in work. I sincerely still believe that this is by one of the worst game designs I have seen in alot of MMO's I have played and I have done alot of timesinks and I will say this is bar far the worst....people on here may not agree but I do not know any other game that I have played in where it takes over 2 weeks to get one item. If I was 10/12 I would not have been on herer but I sincerely only have 2/12 in 2 weeks and over 10000 fates......again, is it really fair and worth it?

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Whether it's worth or not is more a personal matter. In game terms, it leads to the second best weapon (Novus) currently and will likely keep doing so as the game progresses. To me, the time invested is not worth it, but it really is a personal choice.

Fair... you could argue there's nothing as fair as randomness, as it has no prejudice. However, when we complain about RNG not being fair what we are really saying is that it's not evenly balanced. In this sense, no, it isn't at all.

Finally, I have seen this design in other MMOs before, many times, so it's not the worst I've seen. Yet that doesn't make it any good, really. It's trash design and the easiest way they found to make the quest drag on as long as possible. There's certainly better design choices they could've gone with to make the quest equally lengthy, but all of them would've involved more development resources, so they just took the easy way out.

I believe this will remain as is for quite a while, as Yoshida has failed to address these complains to date.

Just keep grinding. My first Atma set of Atmas drop rate were horrid, though i knew I wanted the end result so I kept grinding. Starting my 2nd Set and right away I got 2 Atmas in ~1 hr. RNG is RNG

so you did 10.000 fates in 2 weeks
714 fates per day
30 fates per hour
1 fate every 2 minutes

without any sleep, eating, anything else

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Originally Posted by Shinun

Just keep grinding. My first Atma set of Atmas drop rate were horrid, though i knew I wanted the end result so I kept grinding. Starting my 2nd Set and right away I got 2 Atmas in ~1 hr. RNG is RNG

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Thank you for the positive feed back Shinun, but I am going to hang up my book again since other gaming choices are coming up with more balanced earnings from time spent. I will continue to grind until my sub ends and I will post more info about the whole experience once I am done. But to be honest, If I do not get the last 10 by the 30th, I surely know now that this game is flawed and that the developers are only interested in taking shortcuts and not producing quality content based on good game design.

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Originally Posted by Madruck

To all the people who stated I wanted easy content or I didn't want to put in the time or the work....is 2 weeks with over 10000 fates not enough effort to earn my weapon? Is it really fair with all my work I only still have 2 Atmas and still need another 10? What else do I have to do to be able to complete this portion of the game? It may be optional but its the weapon that I want.....did I not do enough work for it? Please post honest answers and not some disrespectful comments....I want honest feedback....

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You did not do 10000 FATES. Stop exaggerating lol

Atma is not as bad as you and some other people are making it, and I honestly think that is scaring other people so we keep getting these threads and people right down saying they won't even try it unless they change it.

Yes, it comes down to luck. And yes, it sucks. I myself have done 3 Atmas so I know the farm (doing Novus atm which is way worse on the FATE farm).

The most I've seen people spend in one atma was around 16hours, and that is on a low spawning rate area, and usually have their atma within 2-3 days of grinding (playing only 1 hour doesn't count as a day). We've actually been talking a lot about this on our FC, since we have new members getting to endgame and starting theirs.
And actually, if you check the data players have been compiling, you'll notice on average players get an atma every 200 fates (400 for Alexandrites).

My advice? Just keep at it, put on some music you like, and farm away. Start with zones that have a really high spawn rate in fates (usually zones with daily quests), like southern thanalan and western la noscea, so you're actually doing lots of fates per hour, and not just around 10.

Now if your argument is "I shouldn't have to spend so much time getting a weapon", then its simple:
1 - This is NOT a weapon for casuals. If you want it that bad, wait for it to be nerfed for you or do it like the other people are doing it. Because it's not supposed to be quick.
2 - You have a lot of options besides this weapon. You can quickly farm Levi ex, get a group for Coil or spend Soldiery Tomes (lots of parties for T7, so no excuse).

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

so you did 10.000 fates in 2 weeks
714 fates per day
30 fates per hour
1 fate every 2 minutes

without any sleep, eating, anything else

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Of course I slept and ate, but my time eating was no more than 10 minutes in between waiting for fates to pop. As I stated, the total count for fates done was 10, 214, while many may not believe a player would be so meticulous about something. I wanted to prove a point while also showing sincere regret of my previous attitude but showing genuine effort and determination.

To get that right.. you say you started on the 30th with 0 Fates, then 6 days after you hit 3000 fates and then another 8 days after, you've done 10.000 fates ( 7.000 fates in 8 days )? I call bs. Sorry, lol but no, since this is technically impossible. You are not able to participate in 1000 Fates a day, unless you bot them and teleport from zone to zone and just tag them with one hit.. then MAYBE. After all we are talking about 40+ Fates in ONE hour and you would have to do that 24 hours, without sleeping. Even if we would assume that you've really done 10k fates, there are other people with that amount, but those people did grind Atma's since they are out. In the end they had Atma's for all weapons, after aprox 10k fates. If you are telling me you only got 2, i seriously can't believe you, or you were just not using your Zenith Weapon.

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Originally Posted by Nero

To get that right.. you say you started on the 30th with 0 Fates, then 6 days after you hit 3000 fates and then another 8 days after, you've done 10.000 fates ( 7.000 fates in 8 days )? I call bs. Sorry, lol but no. Even if we would assume that you've really done 10k fates, there are other people with that amount, but those people did grind Atma's since they are out.

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Nero, I would be happy to correct you...I stated that I got the achievement Destiny's Child (3000 Fates) on my 6th day of grinding fates which would have been the 06/05/2014, then 2 days later I got the achievement Let the Bodies hit the Floor which is 100000 mobs killed on the 7th 2 days later. Not once did I state I did 7000 fates in 8 days....I stated I was at 10,214 by the end of Friday, 06/14/14. So please do not make someone appear to be a liar with incorrect quotes just to attempt to discredit someone...thank you for your concern anyways.