Lore perspective on Rogue/Ninja

I think the devs might be straying away from a Thief class due to mechanical reasons. I mean, a class/job devoted to...obtaining items? That would both invalidate other classes and their farming techniques (or be extremely useless [go ahead, steal that one crafting material from that snurble]) and also be extraordinarily useless in a real battle. Just look at FFXI's Thief and how it started as a (weak) thief, turned into an enmity-tool, and rounded out as a back-stabby rogue toward the end. Even now, from the last time I checked, thieves are inherently useless outside of the (debatable) use of the Treasure Hunter trait. So all that back-stabbiness and hate-management turned BACK into a job about items, and a job that no one wanted at that due to the wonkiness of the RNG.

I personally see that as a good thing, however, as we'll have one less completely unbalanced class.

I just kind of wonder where the Rogue 'guild hall' would be, as there aren't any unused spots on the Limsa maps that could potentially house it. I'm guessing an NPC will walk us in to a different map. I just hope it isn't cheesy Robin Hood stuff like gornotck suggested.

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Originally Posted by gornotck

Ququruka wasn't really much of an outlaw, or even an escaped convict, as... it was all in their minds because he told them so? Dude was basically killing time until you showed up and started to fulfill the Prophecy of Covering Ququruka's Wizard Butt.

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Yes, even though that was the case, the general public doesn't know that and would still consider him an outlaw...

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Originally Posted by Kicha

... I can understand that being a city of pirates, rogue kinda evolved from the thieves and pickpockets and can be used as stealthy scouts. But that's just the officially sanctioned guild. Since when does an underground organization like a Thieve's guild need the permission of the city to operate? ...

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It seems like rogues are the land-version of privateers. Privateers were basically government-sanctioned pirates that were allowed to prey on rival nations (mostly against the Spanish) in exchange for turning over some of their loot to the government. It's possible that rogues steal from other cities/nations in exchange for turning over some of their stolen goods, hence why there is a guild. It's likely that it's still pretty shady and not known by the public, and I bet the guild story will focus on a member taking thievery too far (there's always that one ass who thinks (s)he knows better than the guild leader).

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Originally Posted by Wolfandre

I just kind of wonder where the Rogue 'guild hall' would be, as there aren't any unused spots on the Limsa maps that could potentially house it. I'm guessing an NPC will walk us in to a different map. I just hope it isn't cheesy Robin Hood stuff like gornotck suggested.

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We've already been given a big hint. We dropped Yugiri off with the Fraternity on the lower decks. It's not currently accessible, but a locked gate shows a path continuing behind a rock face that is across the water from Fisherman's Bottom.

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...c5af6754d3.png
Screenshot 1 and Screenshot 2

This is a secret society. Less Robin Hood, more Assassin's Creed.

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Originally Posted by Kicha

Now, as far as races adapting to stealth based jobs, it would be pretty funny to see a Roe trying to be sneaky and hiding their huge frame behind a small Lalafel tank.

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In the 1.0 MRD questline... a roe managed to hid himself in a small barrel.

...scared the jeeves out of me.

"Few are privy to this information, but Limsa Lominsa is home to a certain...secret fraternity. Its members are trained in a form of combat not unlike your own."

"Though you may labor to believe it, Thancred was once something of a scoundrel, who fraternized with the criminal class in these parts."

"To the south stands a gate leading to a pier for smaller fishing vessels. Look for an inconspicuous Hyuran man there, and present the letter to him. He serves as a gatekeeper of sorts."


We had quite a few informations about that guild all along ^^

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Originally Posted by Aethergoggles

Even more interesting lore wise... if this new class is available to be played from the beginning as I presume it will be, and the ninja job is taught by yugiri as the story kinda hinted.. how much of a paradox will it seem levelling to 50 being trained by yugiri, beating the story, and then yugiri comes from doma as a refugee.

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I was thinking on this last night, actually. Perhaps Rogue/Ninja will be implemented as a sort of advanced class/job, that becomes available after you complete the Leviathan events. Or perhaps your actual trainer won't be Yugiri at all.

On that note, am I being paranoid here or does it seem suspiscious to anybody else that the entirety of Doma seems to have some degree of Ninja training? I kind of doubt that they're our enemies, but... I mean, they are ninjas. Subterfuge is sort of their thing.

The entirety? Yugiri told us she was trained to one of the martial art from the Far East. A random NPC doesn't know much about fighting or martial arts, just like most domans probably.

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Originally Posted by Alenore

The entirety? Yugiri told us she was trained to one of the martial art from the Far East. A random NPC doesn't know much about fighting or martial arts, just like most domans probably.

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And yet, we see that many domans do have some rudimentary training. There's a child that says "Back home we learned how to run through the treetops!" or something to that effect. Even if they're treating it as a game, it looks to me like from a young age all Domans are given at least a rudimentary training in the ninja way, perhaps to identify and select those with exceptional talent. It wouldn't surprise me if Doma was a major base of Near Eastern ninja training.

Of course, this is all conjecture on my part.

It could also be the child pulling the Warrior of Light's leg.. Wanting to impress him/her, because of what he/she has done to help the refugees.. And because we are awesome.