Reporting Gil Seller Options.

It's unfortunate, but SE really can't disclose any measures they're taking or plan to take until it's actually done. It'd be like telling the open world that you are installing "this" specific alarm system into your house and how it's hooked up. You'd be giving a heads up about what measures you're using to protect yourself, so the bad people can basically find a way to circumvent your efforts. Auto-ban functions are never a good thing to do. Too many potential problems of accidentally hitting legit players. Level restrictions to /tell or /shout can also hurt legit players, but most importantly, it won't do anything to RMT because they just bot practically everything their characters do.

Honestly, for this game and the current situation players are in with RMT, a restricted friends-only /tell option is a decent band-aid fix. But then comes how RMT will try to bypass this. Will they try to hack the servers again in an effort to bypass the /tell option? Will they simply resort to spamming zones through /shout again? Will we see them try to spam random friend requests to people in an effort to get their ads out? Maybe we'll even see something a little imaginative with their characters, like the corpse RMT advertising in WoW. No matter what, RMT will always be here, and they will always try to find a means to get their ads out. They seem like those people on the sidewalks that are just trying to get rid of their little fliers. Perhaps RMT get commission for more ads that they manage to spam people with LOL.

So glad that I put tells into their own separate log with no sound. I made a linkshell called, "Tells are turned off" just so any friends not in my FC that need me can still contact me. It's sad I have to do this, but it's my only known alternative right now. I occasionally check the tell log in case a randomer has a question or something.

They can list exactly how many characters they delete over time, but when you are receiving over 100 different spammers in a single weekend, I do not see how they are actually doing a thing to fix the problem. Why exactly do they need to allow characters to send tells to every single person in a zone within a minute? This is pretty obviously a problem that SE needs to work on. But when your blist is filling up within a single week solely due to RMT, there is a problem that they need to work on a real solution for. When you blist a spammer and get 5 more tells within a minute from 5 other names, this is beyond what I would expect even in a free to play game. Perhaps you enjoy the advertising Tiggy, but many of us do not wish to be constantly harassed on a game we are paying to play.

A decent alternative to me would be to do something like the (DELETED) Message. (BANNED) would be just as effective and we could clear our lists far more easily.

As of today I have 200 Blacklisted Gil Spammers in my Blacklist. All of them are GS as I don't blast people just couse they anger me. SE already has a system where you can't receive tells while in Duty. I know they can improve on it to disable GS Shouts and tells. I deleted 2 GS from the blacklist and added 2 more and within 5 seconds i had a 3rd one spamming.
We ARE paying consumers and SE is offering a service. If their programers CAN'T figure a way to make it better for us to deal with GS they should invest in programmers that can. This is NOT FFXIV 1.0 this is FFXIV 2.XX they can do it they have to be made want to do it though.

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Originally Posted by Deathcharge

As of today I have 200 Blacklisted Gil Spammers in my Blacklist. All of them are GS as I don't blast people just couse they anger me. SE already has a system where you can't receive tells while in Duty. I know they can improve on it to disable GS Shouts and tells. I deleted 2 GS from the blacklist and added 2 more and within 5 seconds i had a 3rd one spamming.
We ARE paying consumers and SE is offering a service. If their programers CAN'T figure a way to make it better for us to deal with GS they should invest in programmers that can. This is NOT FFXIV 1.0 this is FFXIV 2.XX they can do it they have to be made want to do it though.

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Lol, sure. It's a super easy problem that better programmers can easily solve. Right. It's that simple. That must be why no MMO has ever come up with a perfect solution.

Seriously though. This isn't an easy problem that will be solved by just throwing better programmers at it. It's not a matter of programming. It's a matter of striking a proper balance between cracking down on the spam while not punishing real legitimate players. That harder you crack down on RMT the more you hurt your paying customer base.

FFXIV had a good example of this pre 2.1. Every time a market appeared that the RMT start exploiting to make gil SE would nerf that market. This in turn nerfs that market for legit players. Before 2.1 came out this left us with a nearly dead economy because they kept nerfing all the avenues RMT were using. This ended up punishing the players and hurting the game more because we players couldn't even make money.

If you can come up with a real idea that can catch RMT without touching real users and you'll finally have RMT prevention gold. Until then all systems will naturally let a bit of RMT in.

Have you reported them the correct way? Because I report gil sellers, then blist, get a response a few minutes later about 'thankyou for reporting we will look into this' etc etc then another 5-10 mins later I get another response with the typical 'we do not condone gil selling and we can not let you know results but you can safely remove them from your blacklist now,' and I do. I dont get any more tells from them after SE told me I could remove them, and it only took 10-20 mins.

Of course, most people never seem to bother reporting, they just blacklist then complain.

I agree with you there !!!!!! But how can they crack down or track this people if they make it so "Easy" for us to report such behaviors???
You CAN'T tell me that they cannot create a program to receive the "200 blacklist" and match them to the other persons "blacklist" and create a temporary ban on the names that are consistent within those blacklists. We have servers that can one of the most advanced graphics on the market but they can't create a system that can notify them about GS?
And you keep mentioning other MMO's ... MMO's like Retail Stores offer services that even though similar can be implemented in different way creating different experiences and if you are a person that wants FFXIV to be like ANY other MMO out there ... I can't make you change your mind. But me personally believe that the FFXIV team can do a WAY better job that what they have done so far.

Main thing is we DON'T need to fie a report for every single one .. they should establish a 1 form fits all to report this problems. They NEED to do an AUTO-REPORT . I don't need to waste my time filing a form asking What world , what time, what was the report about ... Tho one that really irks me .. "What world?" ... Shouldn't the report auto fill with the world i am sending it from already ??
And in all seriousness if any player is defending our current "Blacklist system" I don't think that is an argument I could ever win...

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Originally Posted by Dijana

Have you reported them the correct way? Because I report gil sellers, then blist, get a response a few minutes later about 'thankyou for reporting we will look into this' etc etc then another 5-10 mins later I get another response with the typical 'we do not condone gil selling and we can not let you know results but you can safely remove them from your blacklist now,' and I do. I dont get any more tells from them after SE told me I could remove them, and it only took 10-20 mins.

Of course, most people never seem to bother reporting, they just blacklist then complain.

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I have NEVER gotten the "you can safely remove them from your blacklist" message. I've never gotten a response at all when reporting a gil seller.