PLD BiS (Post T9) - Widely Accepted vs. Optimized Crit

The 1 parry is worthless. Most stats are thought to be linear but the game only shows whole numbers rounded.

1 parry vs 57 crit is a no brainer. But 57 crit vs 8 det 44 SS is virtually the same thing. As a MT even in BiS your DPS is very low. MT is also one of the last jobs in a group that will reach BiS due to sand/oil priority.

T9 was killed with an i94 ish PLD. So true BiS for a MT will have some slaying accessories since the VIT needed to win every fight is nowhere near i110 100% fending levels.

SS sucks

/10 char

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

The 1 parry is worthless.
1 parry vs 57 crit is a no brainer. But 57 crit vs 8 det 44 SS is virtually the same thing.

T9 was killed with an i94 ish PLD. So true BiS for a MT will have some slaying accessories since the VIT needed to win every fight is nowhere near i110 100% fending levels.

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You bring up a very good point about SS and DET. When tied together they provide essentially the same DPS increase as the 57 crit. What you said regarding the slaying accessories is interesting. I have never heard anything along those lines to date. Where most Tanks are opting for 2 Noct Rings to make up the temporary VIT gains (1 Weathered 1 Upgraded)

People aren't flirting with BiS yet. So people are min/maxing until t9 is on farm mode.

That's the same reason i70 accessories are being talked about once again. People are reaching their VIT needs and stacking more STR plus secondaries.

I would take Crit over SS any day of the week. SS is not good. While the stat weight itself might be =. It just isn't good, we have no way to regain TP.

Furthermore parry is WAYYYY overrated. It just isn't that good, especially not as a paladin.

And yes OT's are going Slayings all day.

The only Benefit i can see with going with a high parry build (600+) would be to eat 3* food (Popotto Pancakes) as thats the base stat required before maximum effeciency, although i dont think its currently possible to achieve a base of 600 with our current gear choices.

Asside from that, until i see some numbers about how parry is calculated, i cant see a benefit in stacking parry as a PLD once you reach a certain threshold (560+) especially if you are using the Noct Hoplon which devalues parry even further.

I haven't done the math to support this, but given the nature of Bahamut's Claw in the final phase of T9, stacking Parry as a PLD might not be the worst thing.

Parry for a single burst attack (Death Sentence, Ravensbeak) is so unreliable because but since Bahamut's Claw is a series of five consecutive attacks, Parry rate becomes more reliable despite the fact that the DR% is the same. You're more likely to get SOMETHING out of Parry when it's a multi-hit attack.

Paladin is also in Shield Oath for the vast majority of this fight and the entirety of Phase 2 and onward. Any damage gains from Crit is minimized.

I think Parry is the way to go for PLD MT in T9, but like any secondary stat, it really doesn't friggin' matter because secondary stats kinda suck and the returns are so low anyway.

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Originally Posted by bokchoykn

I think Parry is the way to go for PLD MT in T9, but like any secondary stat, it really doesn't friggin' matter because secondary stats kinda suck and the returns are so low anyway.

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Yes i'm slowly leaning towards a high parry build as i've beed reading up on the stat (very long read) and it seems that the general opinion is that its linear with +13 points of parry equating to a 1% gain in parry chance/rate. (0.08% per point). That being said parry seems to still have value especially in stuations like you mentioned with T9 MT.

I wouldn't stack parry unless you get alot for minor Det/Crit losses, like 2:1 or 3:1 trade off. You can virus every Baha's Favor, and E4E other claws, in conjunction with PLD's CD. Our PLD had only 7.1k HP on our clear and it was not MT's durability thats holding us back. There is so little MT damage apart from Claw/Favor Claw on the last phase.

Det > Crit for tanks.

i whipped something up rq

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MN1B

-24 crit, -63 parry, -31 SS, for +78 Det

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Originally Posted by NightReach

Det > Crit for tanks.
-24 crit, -63 parry, -31 SS, for +78 Det

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While i do love your gearset (Seeing a Tank at 300 DET 400+ crit is lovely), i cant help but feel 500 Parry is too low. I cant argue with a T9 clear however. If your MT had 500 Parry or less i'd have to give it up to your healers. I could be wrong though as i dont have any exp in T9.

The only thing i have to go on is what other exp'd tanks recommend.

I brought up this argument to Junep3i (BG's original Twintania clear MT, now with Collision and multiple T9 clears) and he shot it down quite easily and i was only suggesting a loss of -15 parry +64 Crit at the time. He seems to think giving up any amount of parry in a progression scenario is a bad idea regardless of a DPS increase. While i dont like to take the word of any 1 player as Gospel, it seems to be the general concensus of many others as well.

If the +13 Parry/1% calculations are correct, i cant see giving up 8% parry chance/rate being a good idea in favor any amount of DPS gains.

I'd love to hear some other opinions from T9 PLD's who MT as well.