This game is forcing me to speed run, more and more

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Not sure how to satify as a "speed run" ^^;
but according to dungeon design, there is a time limit counter so it imples to complete it asap?
IMO "fast complete award" should be added bcoz faster completion definitely is a better result in accordance with the time limit counter design.

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Speed runs are generally done by pulling all mandatory trash up to a boss, AoEing it down, killing the boss, and repeating until you're done. If you have the gear for it, it greatly speeds up dungeon runs. Alternatively you can avoid much of the trash either by simply not aggroing it, leashing it somehow (see the teleporter in Prae), or sac pulling.

In 1.0, there actually were rewards for completing the dungeon under a certain amount of time. These were removed in 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Zaft

Speed runs are generally done by pulling all mandatory trash up to a boss, AoEing it down, killing the boss, and repeating until you're done. If you have the gear for it, it greatly speeds up dungeon runs. Alternatively you can avoid much of the trash either by simply not aggroing it, leashing it somehow (see the teleporter in Prae), or sac pulling.

In 1.0, there actually were rewards for completing the dungeon under a certain amount of time. These were removed in 2.0.

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Thanks for telling me 1.0 had it and the concrete description for SR, so now I am quite sure a lot of "speed run" problems were actually just playing inappropriately but not really a speed run.

For me, I kinda felt the way around.

In 1.0, doing speed run is a must if you want bigger chance of great equipment/item drops. Now in ARR, SR is not mandatory anymore. And I see more and more ppl enjoying slower pace. At least here at my current server which is JP, alot of them prefers normal runs.

For my current Soldiery farming, I'm signing up for Halatali Hard in DF rather than doing Expert DR...
If DR would give Lost City, people either leave right away or have problems actually handling Diabolos fight...
If DR would give Brayflox hard, it varies if people stay or leave (depends on party setup), and quite often tank pulls more than he/she/it can handle, putting all responsibility on the healer and dps to keep up. Without asking first if everyone is ok with speedrun.

I can handle brayflox speedrun just fine, but I don't like the stress that is associated with it, so Halatali hard it is.

Diabolos is super easy, just need 1 player doing the door duties, remember the pairs and mark them to help memorize it (door icon appears above it for short while though). Then open the 1st door and make sure it stays open before Diabolos cast that heavy AOE, sometimes that 1st door can be force-close by one of Diabolos attack. And when it started casting that huge AOE, run and open 2nd door. Basically just that.

When I get Lost City, I usually do the door duties cause it's kinda fun. ^^

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Originally Posted by sheepysheepy

it's just how the game evolved.. this is like moaning that resident evil FORCES you to kill zombies /headdesk

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That's a really bad analogy.

Under that same thinking you could debate that Brayfox has chests off the speedrun path, so henceforth it was obviously created to wander all the options.

I like speed runs. In order to farm for gear you need a good 300 or so runs for full armor set. Sure it's fun first few times but after that just want to get it done.

Generally the only people in this game complaining about the speed runs can't do them. Gear up a little and try again. Unless you enjoy non stop grinding something that takes months in which case I'd recommend runescape.

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Originally Posted by sylent09

I like speed runs. In order to farm for gear you need a good 300 or so runs for full armor set. Sure it's fun first few times but after that just want to get it done.

Generally the only people in this game complaining about the speed runs can't do them. Gear up a little and try again. Unless you enjoy non stop grinding something that takes months in which case I'd recommend runescape.

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Or people who generally find the normal pace of a dungeon relaxing and like playing at a pace that isn't a thousand miles an hour. The assumption that people who hate spend running have crappy gear is an absurd one. I realize the game is a grind, but having some immense desire to get everything fresh and shiny as soon as possible isn't on everyone's plate. I'm not even bothering getting soldiery gear until I get coil stuff because I like to enjoy the content, the only pace people set is their own.

Even as a tank, I get pushed for speed runs (which admittedly I like), but some people just aren't smart about it.

For example, I tanked Halitali HM in DFR the other day. Drew an obviously under geared Brd and Mnk as DPS. (a cursory look at the HP is usually enough info). Not a problem, I don't mind normal pulls. However, after the first two pulls, the Brd starts yappin about wanting bigger pulls. I just ignored them. Then we got to the first boss, which went down just fine, just extremely slowly. After which the Brd pipes up yet again: "NOW can we do larger pulls????". I finally look at him and see that he is only using a lvl44 pink bow. (!!). I finally responded to him "Why? The DPS isn't exactly over geared for the content...." Blessedly, it was the last I heard about it the entire dungeon.

i assume everyone who hates speed runs are monks or under geared healers! just my assumption!