Reraise..?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

And have people bitch about the game being even easier still?

I dunno how much of a need there is for this though. If the mage dies it was either due to poor planning or poor playing. Should they really be allowed to just auto-revive and negate it? I think if the party is doing so poorly that the mages die they should have to live with that.

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stupidest argument ever.

Look at that dungeon video again & say im glad we wiped at that 8k AoE damage & we have no one to freakin raise us.
Great now we all have to HP and run the F back. (or we could let the Mage HP...run back & Raise us... great plan)

thats a nice waste of time inside a time-limited dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

However when people constantly complain about difficulty they shouldn't go around asking for free extra lives.

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Even if the mage dies, & res they still have to deal with the Weakness status. (wich is fine with me & i havent seen anyone complaining about btw wich is good)

Example. you wipe at last boss 10min left on timer. (mage dont have RR) but everyone got raise.
Who will Raise who, oh shit no one can. What do you do?

Make everyone HP, run back in before timer runs out (deal with weakness)
or
let only the mage run back and res 1 person,
waits for cooldown,
uses next Raise, longer cooldown
& finally last res even longer cooldown.

By the time the mage have raised everyone, only 1-2 people have gotten rid the of the weakness status & timer is down to 3min (close example)

Maybe even worse 1-2 members still dead to raise, cuz no point in melee to equip or even try using raise with weakness status on them. (cuz the casting time has been prolonged)

Anyone spot the flaw in this?

People should try not to die and learn from their mistakes? You know that 8k damage comes from what seems to be a walking trap mob, probably should learn to avoid that thing. We currently don't have reraise, how are you going to deal with it now? In any other game if you die you die, that's it. Learn from your mistake and get better. Had reraise not been in XI or other FFs this idea would get shot down in an instant.

Again, not against the implementation of Reraise. I welcome it but I feel like people should think about what they're asking for.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

People should try not to die and learn from their mistakes? You know that 8k damage comes from what seems to be a walking trap mob, probably should learn to avoid that thing. We currently don't have reraise, how are you going to deal with it now? In any other game if you die you die, that's it. Learn from your mistake and get better. Had reraise not been in XI or other FFs this idea would get shot down in an instant.

Again, not against the implementation of Reraise. I welcome it but I feel like people should think about what they're asking for.

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who cares, it's not like the mages gonna be spamming Reraise, besides most of those spells have long cooldown...
hell i couldnt care less if it had a 5-10min cooldown, anywayz.

I know exactly what im asking for, i want freakin RR if im going into a dungeon with a
mob that does "Random" AoE damage to the party if they are caught in its path.
(side note: now this is the type of battle ive been waiting for)

Id also like it cuz i dont need to take Bullshit from melees why i dont have RR in
the first place because they actually think we DONT NEED it...

seems even pointless to argue with a melee about it so i'll wait
until a few weeks after the dunegon is released.

Really? Looking down on me because I'm not a 50 mage? Again not against the implementation of it, I just foresee a ton of complaining about such a thing considering simply having raise be R14 caused a veritable shitstorm.

The MP cost of Reraise in FFXI is what made it prohibitive to use repeatedly.. when you are weakened you suffer a reduction in Max MP, meaning you didn't have a lot of leeway with your mana pool. You could cast a Reraise, raise and buff a few players and then you'd need to rest. As for learning from your mistakes, again, until the enmity situation is updated in a way that it makes sense, death happens for little or no reason at all currently. If you die casting 1 cure? You learn from your mistake by.. not curing anyone and letting them die? If you buff someone and die.. you don't cast any buffs and let everyone take much more damage, ultimately causing them to die? We aren't the ones that need to learn from our mistakes. SE is. And they could stand to learn from things that DO work, like the enmity system and raise/reraise spells in FFXI.

Also in FFXI, when weakened, your recast timers for spells are all doubled, so Reraise would lose its value in a situation where people were wiping repeatedly. In FFXI, this is less of a problem because White Mages have 3 tiers of Reraise, with 3 separate timers. In FFXIV, having 1 reraise spell and imposing a recast timer penalty while weakened seems like a good trade off to me.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Really? Looking down on me because I'm not a 50 mage?

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Not really, but if i were in a PUG (my bad, i mean Pick-up-group not Pugilist) why whould u expect me to trust
you in your Melee abilitys when i dont even know your play style?

For all we know we might be able to HP back to start of dungeon,
or even worse outside last know Homepoint.
Even so we all have to deal with the weakness, and casting spells
during that effect isnt making things easier. (especially Raise)

That would be awesome if some jackass forgot to set HP close to the dungeon wouldnt it.
(and that person is out of anima)

The point is, do you want a mage to save you or are you just gonna equip
your Cure 2-3, Raise yourself because you can?

Or actually let the mage do what he/she does best?
You cover my ass i cover yours, it's that simple.

It would be better if i could do both, cover my own ass so i can evetually cover yours.

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

It would be better if i could do both, cover my own ass so i can evetually cover yours.

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Or just lose the trust issues and make some friends you can rely on instead of sounding like a kid having a temper tantrum in a forum.

Yep looking forwards to reraise eventually as well, just for the fact that I solo a lot. As a beastmaster in XI reraise was my best friend. XD

I'm not even touching the other issue that was raised, it's not even an issue. muah ha ha.

I'm indifferent to reraise being implemented, but I think we should just see how the dungeons play out before arguing over this. For all we know there could be checkpoints to come back to if the whole party wipes instead of starting all the way over, but still at points where it's a bit of a setback but doesn't have people going "OMFG we gotta start all the way over????" Although, with SE, starting all the way over in a complete wipe wouldn't be a surprise ...

reraise would be a beautiful addition.

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