Turn 5: Do WHM's pull hate from you, Tanks?

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Originally Posted by ispano

Oh I know, I just don't let myself think I won't have to worry about it. It's just one of the many things I constantly pay attention to. Like pulling from one of the tanks in Thornmarch EM as a Scholar.

But yeah, he likely shouldn't of been trying to do more damage unless he knew he had a large lead, but the 10% damage reduction combo finisher is nice to have when he can get it in.

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Hehe Scholars are lucky because they generate so very little Enmity in comparison to White Mages who are enmity sponges. But yeah, I just felt it was a little abrasive for them to throw me under the bus for something like that. >.<

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Originally Posted by KyahAlmasy

Hehe Scholars are lucky because they generate so very little Enmity in comparison to White Mages who are enmity sponges. But yeah, I just felt it was a little abrasive for them to throw me under the bus for something like that. >.<

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I was actually pulling flashing orange on him as Scholar, ie I saw it happening before I actually pulled. Also, with a single target like Twin, you can target her quickly during casts to see where you are in relation to the tank.

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Originally Posted by Elvin

Yeah, if it was a warrior the problem is clear.

He didn't use his agro combo enought. Paladins are using it almost all the time, while warriors have diferent combos, for what I hear of, at least 1 for agro generation and 1 to put a 10% damage debuff. He was probably spaming the 10% damage debuff as Ispano says. Wich is very nice, as long as he can keep the agro, haha.

But anyway I woudn't say it was your fault. It's an issue so weird to see that.... And in T5 healers shoud use shroud of saints in a mana eficiently way, not for his agro. At least on my opinion...

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Well, I use my Shroud in very particular sequences for Turn 5 when I feel Enmity may become a problem. But in all my experience, never had I had that happen to me before. And they were all so quick point the finger at me, as if I should had expected it to happen all along.

I guess that's why I wanted to get the opinions of others. >.<

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Originally Posted by KyahAlmasy

Well, I use my Shroud in very particular sequences for Turn 5 when I feel Enmity may become a problem. But in all my experience, never had I had that happen to me before. And they were all so quick point the finger at me, as if I should had expected it to happen all along.

I guess that's why I wanted to get the opinions of others. >.<

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No, it's just a mindset. They saw YOU pull. So it's 100% YOUR fault in their minds. They don't care if the tank wasn't doing enough. You have to learn to spot the type and just avoid them.

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Originally Posted by ispano

No, it's just a mindset. They saw YOU pull. So it's 100% YOUR fault in their minds. They don't care if the tank wasn't doing enough. You have to learn to spot the type and just avoid them.

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Yeah I mean the whole run was just awful. They were getting hit by divebombs, positioning Twin wrong, not moving her after the necklace dropped etc. Eventually I got so frustrated that I left. They tried to turn it into some schoolyard fight in vent by trying to gang up and pick a fight with me but I just said I wasn't interested and signed out.

But yeah, the thread is what they were trying to say was my fault. Thank you for putting my mind at ease. n,n

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Originally Posted by Elvin

Yeah, if it was a warrior the problem is clear.

He didn't use his agro combo enought. Paladins are using it almost all the time, while warriors have diferent combos, for what I hear of, at least 1 for agro generation and 1 to put a 10% damage debuff. He was probably spaming the 10% damage debuff as Ispano says. Wich is very nice, as long as he can keep the agro, haha.

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There are 3 combos. Enmity, damage reduction and slashing resistance, the latter two have no enmity bonus. MT should not focus on damage on fights like Twintania, it's far more important to keep the dmg reduction up at all times while keeping hate. If the party doesn't have the dps to beat Twin without resorting to MT dps, they should not be in T5.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

There are 3 combos. Enmity, damage reduction and slashing resistance, the latter two have no enmity bonus. MT should not focus on damage on fights like Twintania, it's far more important to keep the dmg reduction up at all times while keeping hate. If the party doesn't have the dps to beat Twin without resorting to MT dps, they should not be in T5.

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It wasn't even the dps. They were having hate trouble between the off-tank and MT, they were getting hit by everything. It was just so messy. and when they said that to me it just felt sort of.. like they were reaching for some excuse to blame me.

I was a little worried that maybe I might have been acting a little overly confident, but this thread has sort of put that concern to rest.

Nope, you did nothing wrong. The warrior probably overestimate his threat and rotate Storm's Path and Storm's Eye instead. Main tank warrior should never ever do that. I main tank for my static and my threat is so far ahead other people's threat is like 1/4 my bar.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Nope, you did nothing wrong. The warrior probably overestimate his threat and rotate Storm's Path and Storm's Eye instead. Main tank warrior should never ever do that. I main tank for my static and my threat is so far ahead other people's threat is like 1/4 my bar.

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Yeah, I mean I've always been so far away from actually pulling off the mt that the idea that I could take hate almost half way through the fight sort of baffled me. And what ruffled my feathers was that they were acting like I should have known better, and that as a whm I should be wasting my shroud the moment it comes off CD.

Sigh.

Never should happen, BAD WAR tank... keeping the -10% dmg debuf up 100% will still yield a HUGE gap in threat between the WAR and anyone else in the party.

If the WAR was trying to do more dmg to TWIN and is losing threat, then he wasnt doing his job correct or your other DPS are very bad to the point the WAR thinks he has to do more. Later in the fight, with a huge lead then yes start putting in the slashing debuf for a little extra dmg, but by the time your in this phase its dreadknights and your not attacking twin as much and the last few percent in last phase, your extra dps will not make enough of a difference to bother. Plus, without building enough buffer threat, when dreadknight phase starts and your not fully focusing on TWIN and the healers still healing, you may lose threat. Point, tanks job is to tank and not to focus on DPS.