Randomised/Dynamic fights - can we have 'em?

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Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs

I'll just say this. I have a friend who I would say is an exceptional player. He has latency issues, but deals with it by learning rotations and counting down to seconds then move, without relying on the markers/cast bars being shown on his screen. If it's easy for you with close to no latency issues, great. But asking for fights that include 1HKO mechanics to happen randomly when the casts happen very quickly would kill off a large portion of players.

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Exactly. In the current state of the game, for me, I have to move BEFORE circles or attacks appear in order to dodge, due to latency, bad servers or whatever (say all you want it's on my end lol, I know it's not. I have a tons of online games on my PC this is the only game I have to do this).
If attacks were to be randomized they would have to be super easy and boring in order to allow players like me to dodge.

If latency is fixed, sure. But as long as it's not, don't see that happening, game is just not build for that.

Edit- FATE bosses are randomised, are they not? lol

To be honest, it's not that hard to put a Randomizer in anything. Just get the list of moves the mobs use and stick a randomizer to it. I would approve if they did it. However, I fine with what we got as well.

i just want less boss fights wit 1 hit guaranteed killed

95% of the player base are casual players. This will never happen anytime soon.

if they slighten up on the 1hit kill moves then it could work just nice the way the game is now after 1month everyone will finsh new content.

So many people cannot avoid scripted mechanics, can you imagine having them react to randomized abilities?

I would love randomized bosses.
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Everyone saying people can't handle randomised moves puzzle me... as per many posts in this thread, one hit kills are the problem when dealing with that kind of thing, not randomised moves. I see two ways of adding difficulty to a fight: You randomise the moves or you force people to have precision timing. Right now they're opting for the latter, which is actually less latency-friendly than the former. This change would not force one hit kill moves killing every person with latency - on the contrary, it would allow SE to create difficult fights without the reliance on one hit kill moves to create difficulty.

Also, this doesn't only have to happen with bosses having randomised moves. There can be a larger number of randomised variables than that. Moggle Mog, for example, is a fight I haven't even tried but I imagine with the number of enemies involved it's rarely the same fight twice in a row. In the open world, enemies can spawn while you're in a fight and aggro you immediately. These are not scripted events, these are events that simply happen because of the various mechanics involved all working together. The problem with single-enemy fights is that you end up focusing on the move list so much that it becomes a scripted fight. When dealing with the open world, with roaming mobs, with respawn rates being slightly varied, things like this can allow players and parties to think on their feet instead of relying on memorising a set move list. I think this would make the game considerably more fun for everyone involved, regardless of difficulty.

Left4Dead is a great example of how dynamic, seemingly randomised events can allow people to enjoy themselves. It doesn't generally make the game that much more difficulty (although it can), but it does make it that much more fun. In the long run, I think fun is the most important part of a video game - perhaps with FFXIV, allowing people to have fun instead of following a set move list (or even having one-hit-kill moves in the first place) could be seen as a good thing.

EDIT: Added to the first post in the thread for clarification.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Considering how there's people who still can't beat Titan HM when lag isn't an issue...I don't know.

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The problem with the Titan fights is that because they don't have a dynamic/random system to provide difficulty they instead went with set pass/fail events to make the fights difficult.

There wouldn't be as much of a difficulty issue if getting hit by a random move knocked off a good chunk of your health rather than getting hit by a set move that one shots you or takes you out of the fight completely.

Would it be wrong of me to ask for a sort of compromise by this?

Here is the thing, truely random mechanics are either highly difficult and frustrating and wind up relying on a form of luck. Or they are as such often too easy as any bad luck can be compensated by with ease unless you get a really unlucky chain of circumstances. It also often can be boring and frustrating at the same because it really isn't so much about skill as it is shorter pattern recognition.

And there is the crux of it - anything repeated enough times becomes routine, no matter how many dice you throw at it.

That said, I'd like to see a form of randomized content, not unlike FFXI's Nyzule Isle, but more variant, show up in FFXIV. However, I'd also like to see a form of dungeon creator content for players to try to construct their own little monstrosities for fellow players to try out. Those, however, are both very large endeavors and not to be expected as anything more than a very-long-off-concept as a maybe - knowing how many assets that would require to program, design, balance, and then effectively host.

The Random Encounters idea, however, could likely be it's own little side path for progression, so long as we do not flatly replace the ideas we currently have with them. I'm all for adding more, rather than taking away something and replacing it with something else. This is why I don't mind the Echo buff for older content, actually, as it fits within this philosophy.